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    #88037 - 10/26/10 01:21 AM Re: Dumming down to fit in. [Re: Cricket2]
    ColinsMum Offline
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    Originally Posted By: Cricket2
    However, I do have to say that I found the sex ed in 7th grade to be wildly age inappropriate even for kids who weren't as young as dd. I wound up opting her out of part of it. She did watch the video of a birth, etc. but we skipped the contraception parts b/c they were discussing anal sex and how neither it nor oral sex were considered safe. I didn't need a kid of that age learning about things like that. I also didn't like the fact that they had a Christian anti-abortion group doing a presentation during the contraception piece. I wasn't sure how unbiased that would be.

    I'd certainly have wanted to excuse my child from the Christian anti-abortionists! But re non-safety of anal and oral sex for 7th graders (12ish, right?), I have to say that I think leaving it any later than that would be unwise; AIUI (and this is anecdote, not data) the group most likely to have those kinds of sex in the belief that they're safe is young teen experimenters.
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    #88039 - 10/26/10 03:24 AM Re: Dumming down to fit in. [Re: master of none]
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    My son did get 'a talk' in 4th grade about 'how the body changes' and the need for deoderant. They all came home with deoderant samples, which promptly led to a rash.

    It did not involve talk about 'what goes where.'

    It's interesting to me that schools are so passionate on this issue of education, and yet so disinterested in educating the intellectual minds of 5% of the students.

    I don't actually object to 'what is safe and what isn't' talks, but it does seem ironic to me. Now I'm imagining a school movie to play about 'here's Billy. Look how terrible he looks, lying on his bed in his college dorm when he should be studying. Too Bad he didn't know about the dangers of Underachievement back in 5th grade when he should have been developing Work Ethic, but he thought it was cool to daydream about video games while he should have been learning how to learn.The teachers used to say: We never worry about Billy, he already knows what we are teaching this year. Everyone should know about Underachievement, and the terrible price we all pay for it.'

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    #88057 - 10/26/10 08:46 AM Re: Dumming down to fit in. [Re: ColinsMum]
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    Originally Posted By: ColinsMum
    Originally Posted By: Cricket2
    However, I do have to say that I found the sex ed in 7th grade to be wildly age inappropriate even for kids who weren't as young as dd. I wound up opting her out of part of it. She did watch the video of a birth, etc. but we skipped the contraception parts b/c they were discussing anal sex and how neither it nor oral sex were considered safe. I didn't need a kid of that age learning about things like that. I also didn't like the fact that they had a Christian anti-abortion group doing a presentation during the contraception piece. I wasn't sure how unbiased that would be.

    I'd certainly have wanted to excuse my child from the Christian anti-abortionists! But re non-safety of anal and oral sex for 7th graders (12ish, right?), I have to say that I think leaving it any later than that would be unwise; AIUI (and this is anecdote, not data) the group most likely to have those kinds of sex in the belief that they're safe is young teen experimenters.


    Mine had just turned 11 when this talk happened but, yes, I imagine that the majority of the kids were 12. Hopefully I am not burying my head in the sand, but I don't think dd is at the point yet where she is considering sexual experimentation and I'd rather have that talk with her myself than have her learn about it from a male health teacher in a co-ed setting, as they did at school.
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    #88062 - 10/26/10 09:21 AM Re: Dumming down to fit in. [Re: master of none]
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    Cricket, don't wait too long to have that talk! Not that this applies to your child, when my niece attended 7th grade sex ed in Ft. Collins, she observed that the vast majority of kids who were experimenting with sex were also the kids whose parents opted them out of sex ed.

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    #88065 - 10/26/10 09:25 AM Re: Dumming down to fit in. [Re: master of none]
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    On the subject - does anyone have any good book recommendations for "the talk" for ds7 ? He hasn't asked any questions yet, other than asking what condoms were for when watching an episode of Supernanny (!) the other night. Sorry to hijack the thread.

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    #88067 - 10/26/10 09:55 AM Re: Dumming down to fit in. [Re: Grinity]
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    Originally Posted By: Grinity
    My son did get 'a talk' in 4th grade about 'how the body changes' and the need for deoderant. They all came home with deoderant samples, which promptly led to a rash.

    It did not involve talk about 'what goes where'


    ROTFL, Omigod, I think I have tears coming down my face this was so funny - sad in reality - but hysterical that what it all comes down to is whether or not you smell good - and of course, hopefully the rash wasn't the result of not having the what goes where talk about the deodorant - like using yogurt to prevent yeast infections in a non-food way!!!

    In seriousness, we have only experienced this with books which have inappropriate info for DS 4.5, and I have to say you all are scaring me a bit!!!

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    #88068 - 10/26/10 09:59 AM Re: Dumming down to fit in. [Re: master of none]
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    Registered: 01/07/09
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    Hi NCPMom ~ I have a great book recommendation!... "What's Happening To Me" by Alex Frith/Usborne books ... Usborne has a girl and a boy version ... It's a thin book with many humorous "cartoon-like" drawings ... I love it because it covers the basics in a "fun" way Lol ... I wanted to know if my son (then almost age 11) was ready for "the talk" so I casually left the book on a livingroom table. My son noticed it immediately haha ... He read it from cover to cover without putting it down once! After that, I knew he was ready to know more smile

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    #88075 - 10/26/10 10:44 AM Re: Dumming down to fit in. [Re: master of none]
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    Registered: 10/24/08
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    Originally Posted By: master of none

    On another note, the social studies teacher- who didn't have a say, but was against the idea of skipping since the 5th graders are so much more mature, has assigned dd a report on genital mutilation. DD said they did not get to choose, but instead had them assigned. And she said she would rather have had a report on the oil spill or flooding or the cholera outbreak. While I'm tempted to complain, I think I'll just support dd to understand the issue fully so she can write a decent report. Seriously, is it even an appropriate topic for any fifth grader? Not for 10 year old DS for sure- glad HE didn't get the topic (he got rainforest).



    I would agree with other posters, and add this to it, completely inappropriate for any minor. Makes you wonder how the system got to a point to think THIS would have an educational value to any 5th grader or any other grade... I hope you do complain and get this changed for your dd












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    #88080 - 10/26/10 01:09 PM Re: Dumming down to fit in. [Re: NCPMom]
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    Registered: 06/01/10
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    Originally Posted By: NCPMom
    On the subject - does anyone have any good book recommendations for "the talk" for ds7 ?


    We got this book for DD for Christmas last year, when she would have been 6.5 http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0763633313

    If she'd been a bit older, we'd have gone with http://www.amazon.com/Its-So-Amazing-Families-Library/dp/0763613215 instead. The third book in the series (http://www.amazon.com/Its-Perfectly-Normal-Changing-Growing/dp/0763644846) looks more appropriate for kids who are verging on sexually active.

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    #88085 - 10/26/10 01:41 PM Re: Dumming down to fit in. [Re: master of none]
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    We like the Its So Amazing/Its Perfectly Normal series too. The first one in the series is called Its Not the Stork (Ages 4 and up)
    http://www.amazon.com/Its-Not-Stork-Families-Friends/dp/0763633313/ref=pd_bxgy_b_text_b
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