Yes, I was wondering this too...did Dr. Ruf comment on this, I just skimmed back through and did not see a comment.
Dr. Ruf, if you do have time for this one, that would be great, thanks!

You said 140 on SB5 is more like 165-170 on SBLM. If you also meant that about the WISC IV, is that FSIQ only or would GAI line up in a similar way?

Dear Ruby:

I'm curious as to which test your daughter took and how old she was at the time. I always, always look at Developmental Milestones before I estimate score comparisons, too. Suffice it to say, though, that you are right ... it really doesn't matter the precise score is at this point and at this level. As weird as it must feel, you probably need to accept that your dd is highly unusually gifted.

I am going to be beta testing a new online "screening" for intellectual levels soon and people on this list may enjoy doing it to help us out and get free information of this type.

Someone please become our (my) liaison through my real email address because I cannot keep jumping in here (I have no self-control when it comes to this stuff; I love it!) Contact me through my assistants at dr.ruf@educationaloptions.com if you want to participate in the Levels online beta test.

It's been a pleasure.

Deborah Ruf

Oh, the beta test opportunity sounds very good, thank you. I don't think anyone here will be offended if you are unable to check back. Thanks for the posts you have made

..which makes it even more aggravating that handwriting is one of the things that caused our public HG+ school to decline my YS DS5. (I will stop letting this annoy me eventually... maybe. lol.)

I prefer not to think about what Dr. Ruf says his SB-V score correlates to on the older tests.

The GAI takes out the timed, more physical aspects of the WISC-IV. The WISC is usually the test of choice for school systems because it helps educators know who is having processing - either physical or intellectual - weaknesses that make it hard for the student to show what he or she knows and what the child might need some therapy or special provisions to deal with. In other words, if a highly gifted child scores within the average (normal) range on those parts, it is simply normal. At the same time, it can pull down the intellectual score, which is why the GAI was devised. Some HG+ kids are also high on those GAI-omitted subtests, though, and they will indeed have an edge over those who aren't, e.g. they can press a buzzer faster on Jeopardy:-) So, I tell my clients that Abbreviated Battery scores on the SB5 or the GAI on the WISC-IV are helpful for underscoring the intellectual "essence" of a child, but the un-prorated scores help us to understand "holes" in the profile, places where we are sometimes surprised that our brilliant child can't do it or performs less well than expected.

It is complex. What really matters is whether or not the person who evaluated your child can help you to understand and offer appropriate support for him or her. Ultimately, scores are not the issue. They are merely samples - samplings - of how your child reasons and thinks. The goal, after all, is to do what we can to facilitate the child's growing into the fulfilled, independent, emotionally sound person he or she was designed to be. When my children were younger, I focused on scores, too. It is natural, I think, to do so. But eventually, as they grew and matured and did what they wanted to do, I finally learned what it a joy it is to simply watch what they do, who they are, and where they are going still. Getting the scores right ended up not to make much difference at all.

Dr. Ruf, thank you so much for that passage. You really put things into perspective for me and that helps me to just relax and enjoy our fabulous children.

Yes, great points, thanks again!! It *is* complex!!

Dear Dr. Ruf,

will be English language required? I do speak English but DD speaks very little. If it is a non-verbal test I may sign up

Thank you for sharing your time and knowledge with us Dr. Ruf. I wish I'd understood the difference between the SBLM scores and WISC IV before DD was tested. I couldn't figure out why she scored "so low" compared to my SBLM number. I'm going to add this to our quotations thread because it was beautiful and I want to revisit it from time to time.

Thank you so much for posting this Dr. Ruf. I have pounded my head against a wall too many times trying to figure out how to get his intellectual needs met when my DS7 hates to write.

Thank you so much for taking time to "visit" us here. Come back as often as you can, specifically in a few months (or next) when it is too cold to do anything else.