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#55595 - 09/16/09 03:41 PM Re: 5 Levels of Gifted by Ruf [Re: dr.ruf]
Dazed&Confuzed Offline
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Dr. Ruf ... thank you so much for that informative post. How does the GAI on the WISCIV factor into what you're saying? Could you replace the IQ numbers you quoted w/ GAI as long as there were no LDs causing the disparity?

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#55596 - 09/16/09 03:43 PM Re: 5 Levels of Gifted by Ruf [Re: dr.ruf]
st pauli girl Offline
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Dr. Ruf, thank you for clearing things up for me! So glad you had time to drop by.

For anyone who hasn't found it yet, here is Dr. Ruf's website:

Educational Options

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#55597 - 09/16/09 03:43 PM Re: 5 Levels of Gifted by Ruf [Re: Dazed&Confuzed]
Dottie Offline
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Right here onthego...

Dr. Ruf (Educational Options)

Wow, I think the infamous Dottie has been trumped, whistle . <Turning over the score reins to the very qualified Dr. Ruf....>

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#55598 - 09/16/09 03:44 PM Re: 5 Levels of Gifted by Ruf [Re: Dottie]
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Not the score expert OR the fastest poster, cry !

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#55599 - 09/16/09 03:46 PM Re: 5 Levels of Gifted by Ruf [Re: Dottie]
st pauli girl Offline
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Ha, beat you by 12 seconds!

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#55600 - 09/16/09 03:50 PM Re: 5 Levels of Gifted by Ruf [Re: st pauli girl]
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That's because your computer is closer to hers, whistle .

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#55601 - 09/16/09 03:51 PM Re: 5 Levels of Gifted by Ruf [Re: Dottie]
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Originally Posted By: Dottie
Not the score expert OR the fastest poster, cry !


Uh-oh. Now what!?

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#55602 - 09/16/09 03:54 PM Re: 5 Levels of Gifted by Ruf [Re: Cathy A]
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Time to learn to swim in the big pond I guess, LOL!

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#55603 - 09/16/09 03:58 PM Re: 5 Levels of Gifted by Ruf [Re: Dazed&Confuzed]
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Originally Posted By: Dazed&Confuzed
Dr. Ruf ... thank you so much for that informative post. How does the GAI on the WISCIV factor into what you're saying? Could you replace the IQ numbers you quoted w/ GAI as long as there were no LDs causing the disparity?


I'm wondering the same thing. I'm never sure if I can substitute GAI for FSIQ when I'm reading recommendations.

And yes, thank you Dr. Ruf! I really appreciate you taking the time to visit us and address some of our questions. (I'm feeling a little star-struck, lol.)

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#55604 - 09/16/09 04:00 PM Re: 5 Levels of Gifted by Ruf [Re: dr.ruf]
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Originally Posted By: dr.ruf
Okay, a 140 on the SB5 will generally translate to at least a 165 to 170 on the SBLM (and other tests even older with a similar scale). It depends on which subtests the child is strong or weak at. High fluid reasoning and vocabulary boost your score more than other subtests on the SBLM. A 150 is extremely, extremely rare on the SB5 (or WISC-IV) and would generally translate into over 200 on the SBLM. Think of it this way, between IQs of about 85 to 115, the old test and the new tests (and this includes the school-given CogAT and OLSAT) pretty much overlap. Scores mean about the same. As you move away from the middle of 100 IQ, past the first standard deviation (85 or 115) each point means more difference in ability compared to the old SBLM. This means that the difference in ability between IQs of 95 to 105 really is about 10 points. But, the difference between IQs of 105 and 115 is much larger, more significant. Each 10 points on this scale is a larger difference in actual ability. The difference between a child with a 135 or a 145 is huge! The 135 child could finish typical elementary school in two or fewer years while the 145+ child could finish in less than half a year if given the chance. The reason is that the 145 child has a brain that was able to absorb more from his or her environment both before and after entering school -- so they already are almost done with anything that would be presented in elementary school.


I was in awe already reading your levels of giftedness with my oldest, who took the older tests and consulting with her psychologist this spring over the new results. Now, we just got our twins preliminary scores back, new test, and after reading the above...I'm just going to go stick my head back in the sand for the weekend...maybe longer... shocked

Thank you Dr. Ruf


Edited by melmichigan (09/16/09 04:02 PM)
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