Gifted Issues Discussion homepage Forums Identification, Testing & Assessment LOG Older and Modern Scores

I saw this on a presentation and thought it was useful in understanding the differences between my IQ scores and DD's.

Level of Giftedness
Older Ratio IQ Scores/SB LM
130 to 144 MG
145 to 159 HG
160 to 179 EG
180 and above PG

Modern Standard Scores/eg:WISC IV and SBV
130 to 137 Gifted
138 to 144 HG
145 to 151 EG
152 and above PG

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Thanks inky, my DS was tested using SB-LM and I have always wondered how his score stands in terms of his LOG - this post was really useful for me.

Hi Inky, is that a typo in the first row of the first set, is it supposed to be 130-144? (not to be picky...just wondering..?)

thanks!

Thanks for catching that Chris.

Inky - is the scores correct for Modern Standard scores? The EG range is in the middle of the HG range.

i wonder how GAI figures into these ranges?

If PG doesn't start until 152, why does DYS take 145 and up on the SBV and WISC-IV and why is 145 the 99.9th percentile? I thought that the levels of giftedness referred to the percentile -- e.g. 98th is MG, 99th is HG, 99-99.8th EG, 99.9th PG. Anyone know on that just out of curiosity?

Good questions. I listened to the session recording and that provided some answers.

The 138 to 159 was his typo on the slide. He corrected it on the audio to 138 to 144 for HG modern.

He said there are no universally accepted terms to describe these LOGs and sometimes PG is described as 145 and above.

He discussed GAI and used it in some of the profiles. It seems the same number ranges are used for GAI.

He discussed how the older scores are ratio scores and weren't meant to fit a standard curve. This is why they aren't comparable to the modern scores.

He mentioned a book called Gifted Children Myths and Realities by Winner. One of the myths is that gifted children are globally gifted.

His website is www.palmerlearning.com and he has links for parents. Coincidentally I'd just read his book Parents Guide to IQ Testing and Gifted Education after hearing about it on this site.

It was a 59 minute presentation but I thought it was useful and got my laundry folded while listening.