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    #5134 - 12/02/07 08:07 AM Re: Young Scholars Program [Re: Kriston]
    questions Offline
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    Registered: 11/24/07
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    As I struggle with the YSP application and read more about gifted issues (including the book Genius Denied, and postings on various websites by parents with YSP children), it appears to me that Davidson may be most concerned with children who are years ahead of their peers in their academics, rather than those who have not yet maxed out or even reached their potential (and I understand this, as those are the children who otherwise may have nowhere to go). I was wondering what other criteria they consider, particularly with respect to a 2E child (after all, they say in capital letters that the test scores are the MINIMUM CRITERIA). And assuming he is not accepted, do they help refer unsuccessful applicants to local resources? We are still trying to figure out the appropriate school situation, and the gifted part of the equation has not been and is not being addressed at all (until now, and by me, that is.)

    And of course, no matter what, we are applying - the ultimate reward is well worth the application. Just a bit intimidated by the accomplishments of all the children I've read about on this board and others, whether YSP or not.

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    #5137 - 12/02/07 09:40 AM Re: Young Scholars Program [Re: Dottie]
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    Registered: 08/22/07
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    Well Questions, my three YS kids are all diagnosed 2e. Despite their challenges, they all had the appropriate scores needed to get into the program. I don't think it will violate any confidentiality agreement to say that I am quite sure there are also other 2e kids in the YS program.

    But I do sympathize with families whose 2e kids are clearly way "out there" intellectually, yet have not been able to break past that minimum threshold. I am friendly with some of these people, and I see them struggle; their children could benefit so much from the YSP. In some cases, one PG kid without any disability is not enrolled because the 2e sibling would not make the cutoff. It's a tough situation. But I also understand that Davidson has to draw the line somewhere, and they are offering all these amazing services for FREE!

    My two cents: If you have test scores that are borderline, but milestones and work examples that shout PG, apply via the portfolio option, with any and all disabilities clearly noted.

    good luck!

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    #5145 - 12/02/07 03:05 PM Re: Young Scholars Program [Re: Dottie]
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    BTW, we initially got the "need more information" letter about my oldest son, who has Asperger's. Although DITD wishes to help as many PG kids as possible, they flagged his app due to the AS disclosure, and would not admit him until we talked at length about how the AS affects his behavior. I had to write a letter documenting that he has never become violent. The staff are very cautious about not accepting any child who may have a tendency to do harm to others. Some kids with AS DO get violent; I can well understand their concern.

    Dottie, I am very glad that you did apply for your son!

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    #5146 - 12/02/07 03:07 PM Re: Young Scholars Program [Re: Dottie]
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    Dottie and Lorel,

    Thank you both. I actually find your posts encouraging. He has the test scores for both the WISC IV and the WIAT II in one area/composite only (the other relevant areas are high but not comparable). However, without acceleration to prove it, how do I demonstrate comprehension and verbal skills except by anecdotes and recommendations? (I suppose the answer has to be by anecdote and recommendation!) And the huge discrepancy between comprehension and academic skills is exactly the educational issue we are struggling with - what do you do with a first grader who tests at basically a twelfth grade level in terms of comprehension and vocabulary, but who is still learning to read, write and spell, and who wants all sorts of advanced material read to him, but doesn't want to take the time to sound out books at his reading level? At least now, I feel better about applying. Thanks again!

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    #5150 - 12/02/07 05:57 PM Re: Young Scholars Program [Re: Dottie]
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    Hi,

    I am new to this board. Wanted to thank you all as I have found some great information here. We recently applied to DYS program and are waiting to hear.

    I have a 7.7 PG daughter. She is now attending a school for the highly gifted.

    Anyway, hello

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    #5151 - 12/02/07 06:23 PM Re: Young Scholars Program [Re: bianc850a]
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    Hi Questions,
    I also wanted to point out that sometimes our perspectives can be pretty skewed about how "out-there" our own kids can be. Much of my time as a parent is spent reminding DS to pick up his coat off the floor, chew with his mouth closed, and brush his teeth. These are not especially interesting or remarkable conversations. And when he is "being smart" then he us just behaving like I want him to--I enjoy it, but because it's just us having a conversation I don't think much of it.

    In fact by the end of each summer, I've pretty much decided DS isn't gifed any more, and then a couple weeks in to school I run into one of his teachers and their jaws are on the floor, they are so amazed with his abilities.

    So I guess I'm saying that I don't trust myself to have a clear perspective on what is "years ahead." And if you have a 2E kid, it might be even harder to "know" exactly how far ahead a kid is--but kids don't get scores over 145 on two tests (even it it's "just" subtests) just by sheer luck!

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    #5153 - 12/02/07 08:27 PM Re: Young Scholars Program [Re: Dottie]
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    Originally Posted By: Dottie

    I can certainly understand deciding not to apply because of not wanting to differentiate between two siblings...


    There are many people who have one child in the YS program and other children who are not in the program. I know many people who do not go to the trouble or expense of applying for more than one child. Many of the benefits you receive through the YS program such as the online community and resources can serve all your children even if only one is identified. The only reason I am considering having my second child tested is that the activities at the yearly gathering are open only to YSs.

    It amazes me how different siblings can be. I feel that it is important to identify and develop each child's talent. If we can not value each person for his/her individual differences within our own families how can we expect our children to value the differences in people outside of our families.

    Summer


    Edited by Texas Summer (12/02/07 08:29 PM)

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    #5154 - 12/02/07 08:44 PM Re: Young Scholars Program [Re: Texas Summer]
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    Thanks, again, everyone! For the encouragement and the advice. What a wonderful supportive community.

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    #5156 - 12/03/07 02:59 AM Re: Young Scholars Program [Re: questions]
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    Registered: 12/13/05
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    Loc: Connecticut
    Originally Posted By: questions
    And the huge discrepancy between comprehension and academic skills is exactly the educational issue we are struggling with - what do you do with a first grader who tests at basically a twelfth grade level in terms of comprehension and vocabulary, but who is still learning to read, write and spell, and [u]who wants all sorts of advanced material read to him, but doesn't want to take the time to sound out books at his reading level?[/u] At least now, I feel better about applying. Thanks again!


    Hi Q (Joke: John Delancey?)
    I face this exact problem, although not as extreame, it think, but the essense when DS11 was in K-2. Afterschool, I read aloud to him, lots and lots. I also borrowed books on tape from the library, from the child, YA, and Adult session, and revisited some of my favorites. I also developed that habit to listening to audio presentations of college classes, "the great courses," and "the teaching company" and DS would occasionally listen along with me if he happened to be in the car.

    On DVD there are certian classics, such as Standard Deviants, Cyberkids, and Magic School bus - depending on level, and the "Nature and Science" channels.

    I go back over and over in my mind, asking myself what in the world would have worked for my DS, with this particular asynchrony.

    a) with a teacher who "got" him, everything would have been easier.
    b) one can just wait it out, hothousing in as fun a way as possible things like typing skill, Math facts, handwriting without tears, while afterschooling in the unschooling style 3/4 of the time to try and keep the spark alive.
    c) homeschool, keep an eye out for "hi-low" materials, which are designed for struggling older students, as suppliment, not great, but at least not as insulting to child's dignity.
    d) create a homeschool coop of some kind
    e) enroll in a school which really, really gets him
    f) let him suffer along, and learn some amazing life lessons, but perhaps at a high price.
    g) Love him, love him, love him. It will seem like the whole world is out to get him, and he needs as many firm allies as possible. This aspect in particular, brought up the feeling of parenting a special needs kid, for us. In a way, he had a driving need to understand the world, but was cut off from information through normal channels, as if blind, and really overrelied on me to 'interperate' for him. High Urge, low ability. KWIM?


    BTW - when we applied to YSP, we had test scores and very little else. He was clearly suffering, but not clearly achieving anything, as we went the option "f" route, out of ignorance. (Joke: Where is that big chart that tells you which of your mistakes will work out for the best, and which ones are just really bad mistakes?)

    Smiles,
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    #5157 - 12/03/07 03:02 AM Re: Young Scholars Program [Re: bianc850a]
    Grinity Offline
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    Registered: 12/13/05
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    Loc: Connecticut
    Originally Posted By: bianc850a
    Hi,

    I am new to this board. Wanted to thank you all as I have found some great information here. We recently applied to DYS program and are waiting to hear.

    I have a 7.7 PG daughter. She is now attending a school for the highly gifted.

    Anyway, hello Bianc850a! We're glad your here.
    Smiles, Love, Big Wave,
    Trinity


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