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    #42029 - 03/19/09 07:05 AM Re: Anyone know what % of prison inmates are GT? [Re: BWBShari]
    Kriston Offline
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    Now, see, THAT makes sense to me! Do you happen to have a source for that info? I'd love to be able to send the guy to something official and not just expect him to take our word for it...
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    #42055 - 03/19/09 10:02 AM Re: Anyone know what % of prison inmates are GT? [Re: Kriston]
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    The director of a local reading camp made a similar point that stuck with me about the relationship between future prison populations and literacy rates. Don't know that any of this is official enough though.

    Quote:
    Evidence shows that children who do not read by third grade often fail to catch up and are more likely to drop out of school, take drugs, or go to prison. So many nonreaders wind up in jail that Arizona officials have found they can use the rate of illiteracy to help calculate future prison needs.


    http://www.wonderofreading.org/statistics.htm
    http://tryingtofollow.com/2006/04/10/failing-reading-scores-prison-cells/

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    #42072 - 03/19/09 01:37 PM Re: Anyone know what % of prison inmates are GT? [Re: inky]
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    Oooh! Great citation, Inky! Thanks!

    I'm prepping stuff for this weekend, when I should see the guy...
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    #42100 - 03/19/09 03:41 PM Re: Anyone know what % of prison inmates are GT? [Re: BWBShari]
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    Originally Posted By: BWBShari
    How I missed this thread, I don't know but better late than never.

    Did you know that when the US is planning on building a new prison they base the number of beds on the reading scores of the 4th graders in the state?

    Current statistics show that 65% of children in 4th grade are below level in reading. The government has determined that of those 65%, 85% will at some point go to prison.

    The drop out rate of GT kids is 5%. The functional illiteracy rate in prison is 80%. GT kids as a general rule are not illiterate nor functioning below grade level in 4th grade.


    I think if you break this out by race, it presents a different picture. I also think if you broke this out by school district origins, it would paint a picture. And whether the kid had a stable upbringing with two caregivers.

    Here is the breakdown from the DOJ.

    http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/prisons.htm

    Quick graph on crime types. Note that violent crimes are not ID as to whether drug related - but many are.

    http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/glance/corrtyp.htm




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    #42101 - 03/19/09 03:46 PM Re: Anyone know what % of prison inmates are GT? [Re: Austin]
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    Here is some more - including race AND citizenship. Note that Mexicans make up 17% of the population in Federal Prisons.

    http://www.bop.gov/news/quick.jsp

    I also found some data on IQ for Texas Prisons that seems to suggest IQs are below the mean, but not by much.

    http://www.laits.utexas.edu/txp_media/html/just/features/0504_01/slide2.html


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    #42102 - 03/19/09 03:47 PM Re: Anyone know what % of prison inmates are GT? [Re: Austin]
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    I'm not really interested in racial breakdowns or family backgrounds. Race isn't a factor the guy mentions. I'm only interested in GT population information.

    Thanks, Austin.
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    #42169 - 03/20/09 07:10 AM Re: Anyone know what % of prison inmates are GT? [Re: Kriston]
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    I'll dig it up for you Kriston...
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    #42181 - 03/20/09 07:38 AM Re: Anyone know what % of prison inmates are GT? [Re: BWBShari]
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    Thanks, Shari! I really appreciate your help!
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    #238103 - 05/02/17 02:08 PM Re: Anyone know what % of prison inmates are GT? [Re: Kriston]
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    Hello

    As I read MK Streznewsky's book, I was also intrigued by this 20% of inmates who are gifted.

    I ended up finding some communications which might interest you, as I think they are the source of information for MK Streznewsky.

    Harvey, S., & Seeley, K. (1984). An investigation of the relationships among intellectual and creative abilities, extracurricular activities, achievement, and giftedness in a delinquent population. Gifted Child Quarterly, 28, 73-79.

    The paper mentions :
    This research was supported by the Office of Juvenile Justice Delinquency Prevention, National Institute of Juvenile Justice Delinquency Prevention, U.S. Department of Justice Grant No. 79JN-AX003

    The population of this study was made up of youths who entered the Arapahoe County (Colorado) Juvenile Justice System.

    approximately 700 youths became eligible for the study
    288 of the 700 eligible youth were screened.
    The remaining 412 refused to sign the permission slip or were otherwise not available.
    The descriptive results from the sample studied indicate that the youth included in the study appeared to give responses to the tests administered which were within an expected range and thus were considered representative.
    All the final analyses were done using the final 114 subjects who completed the full assessment.

    tests used for the full assessment included
    the Wechsler Intelligence Scale for Children-Revised (1974),
    the Wechsler Adult Intelligence Scale (1955) for youth 17 years and older,
    the Torrance Test of Creative Thinking (TTCT) (1966),
    and the Wide Range Achievement Test (WRAT) (1978)

    Approximately 18% or 48 of 268 of those screened turned out to be gifted in some way. Forty of these 48 youths actually scored in the top 3%, and an additional 26 youths achieved scores which would place them in the top 15% on the measures used.

    more youth than would be expected statistically, appeared in this juvenile justice system. Further, several of these youth were just below the gifted cut-off and a sizable proportion scored in the extremely highest category of ability.

    the gifted youths in this population differed from their normal counterparts in that they had very high abilities in the area of fluid intelligence and, in most cases, did less well on the achievement test in relation to these high fluid abilities.

    Horn (1980) further describes fluid intelligence as being developed through incidental learning, and essentially an intelligence that is not taught or used in school.

    The thinking style of these students is often characterized by a nonverbal quick perceptiveness.



    Additional sources :

    Seeley, K. (1984). Giftedness and delinquency in perspective. Journal for the Education of the Gifted, 8, 59-72.

    Seeley, K. (2003). High risk gifted learners. In N. Colangelo & G. A. Davis (Eds.), Handbook of gifted education (3rd ed., pp. 444-451). Boston: Allyn & Bacon.

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    #238128 - 05/03/17 10:04 AM Re: Anyone know what % of prison inmates are GT? [Re: Talentdifferent]
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    Originally Posted By: Talentdifferent
    Hello

    As I read MK Streznewsky's book, I was also intrigued by this 20% of inmates who are gifted.

    Since less than 20% of the general population is gifted, there is no way that 20% of prison inmates, who have lower IQ on average, are gifted.
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