I Am very blunt, you won't see what I mean... You can take this with grain of salt, these are supposed to be just ideas... I have severe chronic pain that's why so weird...

Don't you find it absurd, that there are no communities for OE? This is not bad for education, but it is focused on children mainly and there is even less for adults. There are some online communities, but they suck and they are low level... Even dabrowski congress in controversial and there are ppl thinking: it is openess to experience, which was disproven and is retarded... Or have retarded opinions, because part will be infested by impostors, or not OE ppl, as it is in to identify hsp today, which is not even a thing, but sensory part of OE...

This may sound arrogant, but i am great at telling other ppl what they should do and at strategy and seeing next step. Because I do a lot of mistakes and i say a lot of hot takes and straight up dumb things, but i constantly revision and revise my postulates/hypotheses/theories. Problem is ppl are only want to put you down suppress you at first mistake and don't want to cooperate, i could never use my talents...

I don't even know what all ppl are doing BTW. 99.9999% seem to me like bots... E.g. why so low amount ppl are in Mensa. There should be organization for all gifted, as everyone is talented at something else, IQ is not even intelligence... But even they can be arrogant ofc. and stupider than 100IQ people many times, this much is obvious... And they don't even cooperate in what benefits all of them tho, which is stupid...

There are no organizations for gifted and it is hard in this age, as society doesn't allow to talk about it and already takes them as advantaged... Biggest problem is rooting them out, as this cannot be expected of schools, teachers are like insects compared to them... It is near impossible to detect... And they have barely couple gifted in whole carrer in class.

Not to mention this not how you learn stuff - watch elon musk. And also relying too much on other ppl lowers self reliance, there is a window: you should communicate your theory to other ppl after you something in more shaper form!

Also gifted programs don't work was found out and it is another type of torture, too high expectations, living like robot. I never liked gifted schools: seem warped perverse. It was also found that kids which are teched to play on musical instrument, or accelerate math learning, or subjects are not advantaged later in life. As life in unpredictable changing environment with low feedback loops... IT is rather those who endure and adapt are successful! Not smartest, strongest...

E.g. I don't understand why hackers didn't use spam to warn ppl in their area about corporation misconduct, politics, or send philosophical knowledge etc. As corporations do this well, change public opinion and saw fear and anxiety to divide and rule... Money is power... Now it is kinda late but perhaps metaverse could be hacked to bring ppl together...

Not sure if i mentioned, ppl finding about OE in age of 55 age such a shame. And there are no organizations for adults really. Or talking about existential depression, there is nowhere you can go to talk about it... Which sucks... Which is like main thing...

Also gifted don't need school. Also elon musk agrees, school is not for smart ppl, they need money and resources and assistant to get stuff done, so they don't have to care about chores and allocate all their time to learning 24/7. But i think it is bad to take away their childhood, parents are supposed to be subservient to kids like this and listen to their command unironically, as they are just wild animals vs them... It is just fact, you can get mad, but it won't do any good...

I saw suffering of all people that ever existed like it happened to me, you can believe me or not i don't care... It is not even expressible in language...

Because if you invested into talented, you would get exponential if not superexponential returns from your investments... But society has heads in their asses... Also everyone above 150IQ should probably get universal genius income, especially if they are poor. ANd if they use that money selfishly, or don't do anything with it, they would got increased loans. And they could be tested on ethics and intentions, or based on their achievements and this would be on-demand (by need)... Everything is supposed to be like that dynamic... Problem is it would have to be some non-profit no? As it is hard already in politics and law forbids it, which is dumb.

I see so many things so inefficient it is just so frustrating, 99.9999999% so inefficient. I optimize everything on atoms...

Look ppl over 140IQ say schools should be sued. So many ppl today live in poverty and they don't have even on school launches, but they force to buy them some stupid expensive poop for drawing. When you are developing, optimal diet matters a lot for intelligence... ALso imagine 30 kids in one small room how much CO2 there must be and you can't even open a window... Not to mention about unhealthy buildings, i lost 10-20IQ points in school, it cost me my edge... And society and family tortured me to point of being borderline demented, i had to do everything myself, i came from hell even i was supposed to be dead...

French started studying giftedness becuase ironically corporations losing money from gifted! Also gifted are abused for profit many unforunately... It is so sad... And academia is no place for smart ppl today........

What if hackers tried to locate gifted from monitoring google searches and send them money, or watch over them etc. OR non profits send them money and help by need... And protect them from society? Because today kids are monitored from young age on tablets etc. And if they don't have smart parents which care about privacy, they will be enslaved later... It is probably too late already honestly...

SO much wasted potential and talents, it is crazy...

If someone tells me important stuff and gives me material to learn ,i honestly can generate brilliant ideas instantly.. But i got burnt
because ppl are not like that, i realized i wasn't even using my full potential...

Even i was also left to rot even by ppl with OE and dehumanized, and i was let by everyone down... I will try to help gifted, i have my reasons... It is just dumbfounding how everything is done so inefficciently, if i had 200iq friend which could realize things into reality that would be scary actually As we moving at completely opposite direction, which is scary and bad news for everyone... School won't change anything, if you have gifted kid stay away from school, be empathetic to them, support them, feed them both intellectually emotionally, they need normal friends etc. Also worst thing in school they tell you that you can't defend yourself and if you do, bullied kid will be punished... I was bullied - 30 kids come at me after school every day, i was fighting and wining a lot even against older kids, but sometimes i didn't defend myself... I sent one kid to hospital once even tho, if someone put me to like locker or thing like that tho, i would broke their bones, i would never let that poop to do to me... SO communicate with your kids so they know they can tell you everything and tech them to defend themselves and not let anything slide even smallest thing, or they will regret it later forever... And if annoying parents argue, you have to beat them up, so you show your kid dominance. People with OE are supposed to be caring nice, but also like aplha nerds and defend themselves... Genius needs to show other people their place if they are doing warped up things, but not to humiliate them or punish too hard! I went to tangents always happens...

Anyways it seems to me that certainly mensans and even many OE, because they have a lot on their plates also not doing enough... Also then who leads these gifted schools and institutes, doubt that people which lived these experiences, i lived it mf's... So what do you know!

Not sure if this get posted, but i am realest there ever was and i need to be little bit harsh, as situation is most grave...

PS: anyone with OE, or high iq should watch this... I Am thinking exact same, because i was programmed for survival of race https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BRmVfoIG0Tg

What does OE stand for?

I am sorry you have chronic pain, and understand that it makes tasks difficult and time-consuming. Including tasks such as composing, editing, and posting on this forum. I also understand being blunt or direct. That said, it is highly offensive to label ideas, beliefs, opinions, or people as "retarded" as that word is a negative and limiting reference to a learning disability which may tend to dehumanize persons with that particular challenge in life. Science is never settled, and people have different knowledge bases, therefore it is not uncommon to come across people who may be uninformed, misinformed, uneducated, or ignorant on a topic. It may be wise to use words such as these rather than "retarded." Words matter. Offensive word choice ultimateley undermines your message, and may decrease others' willingness to listen to your thoughts, read your ideas, and make a positive, constructive, thoughtful response.

In my observation and experience, all groups, whether gifted, educational, medical, religious, political, social, have a number of infiltrators. They may have a variety of motivations or interests. For example, they may be supportive with a keen interest to expand their knowledge base by learning of first hand experiences and impacts. They may have a financial motive as researchers, authors, journalists. They may be people who are hostile to the premise of the group, and find the group to be "like shooting fish in a barrel."

As time allows, I plan to continue to read and reflect on more of your post. At this time, I'm sending you sincere and heartfelt wishes for a pleasant and relatively pain-free day.

Malam,

In this context OE would refer to overexcitability, overexcitabilities.

Here is a SENG link with a high level view of the concept:
https://www.sengifted.org/post/overexcitability-and-the-gifted

Hoagies has a webpage of related info:
https://www.hoagiesgifted.org/dabrowski.htm

This is what appears on wikipedia:
https://en.wikipedia.org//wiki/Overexcitability

This thread of common gifted acronyms, found in the Parent and Advocacy forum, may also be of interest: http://giftedissues.davidsongifted.org/B....html#Post13990

But I don't that is the thing. I was afraid of this, I had to know!

Even people with overexcitabilities completely misunderstood me. Do you think that it is this obvious, you assume low level idiot moron hurt schizoprenic person with god complex, but than i speak to over 150/160IQ and they said i am extremely intelligent...

OMG why you are so sensitive? It is mere word, it doesn't mean anything. I was just being harsh didn't you get that? That is inefficient use of resources, ppl being like this made me less intelligent. You should only care about what matters and work 24/7, i realized how much i had to affect like i talk, true me, i supperational thinker like ai, i can try even most polite 99.99%~ finds it offensive...

E.g. average people compared to 150IQ ppl are like animals compared, to 150IQ ppl. I didn't even come up with that. While this is not far from truth, it is rather close that I would call this aphorism! Do think it is that simple, language reduces meaning too much. My opinion it is all situational/relative, we are like algorithm so varies, anyone is better/worsen on specific workloads situations... In my 99.99% percentile of barely intelligent enough ppl there are even 90IQ ppl... And I AM not sure if I count myself there, I don't think I myself even deserve that, but i am intelligent enough to know i AM not that smart and there are smarter ppl then me, "I am wiset man, i know that i don't know anything" - Plato... Note: Wise man is also a fool

This is crazy, even gifted issue seem so normal to me compared to what i was through, i am like robot unnatural weird... And even ppl with OE are so shallow and assume so much. And even many high IQ ppl suck so much, it is crazy!!!

There are maybe 26 to 80k~ truly smart ppl in the world, and my hypothesis is that truly smart ppl don't exist as
1. killed themselves from existential depression at 3 even 4,5 or 6+
2. were tortured by society to death
3. withdraw from society
Put it contradictory, i don't have time to explain... Maybe there would be that much if they exist... Other ppl aren't completely useless but...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BRmVfoIG0Tg


This is crazy, but words are just words: it means nothing. Why there has to be prerequisite to me nice, do i have to be society's b****? And beg so someone listens. Don't you know ToDP? This i would expect from 100IQ and you can't get meaning and read along lines...

There is no use in denying there are smarter, stupider people - dr. brennan - Bones. Same like higher and lower man... I don't think about myself I Am better than other ppl, i cherish individuality and want to elevate other ppl with me!

I forgot sometimes I Am too honest i have to censor myself too much, otherwise i can speak of too much truth and it can hit like hammer. "No one is more hated than the one who speaks the truth" - Plato

I was just too harsh, because gravity of situations required it! Never matter words, instead you extracting meaning you are focusing on empty words to virtue signal... https://eggshelltherapy.com/highly-rational/
Also there is duality between everything virtues can be seen as vices - Arthur Schoppenhauer. I was told by over 150IQ I Am too good, i am so selfless and nice person that it is viewed as arrogant... Doubt anyone will understand it, even high IQ ppl mainly under 150IQ resist me in every sentence... Everyone things i am retarded or crazy and want to lower me down...

I Am used no one can get me, always ppl think things light years from target than what i meant by it... Yes i didn't communicate well currently, but it doesn't matter even before I had chronic pain, it was always the same... I tried all possible ways, it is not that, ofc. first think ppl will criticize you and accuse you everything is your fault, how do you dare question anything contrary to societally accepted rules... No one forced you coming into conclusions and assuming, instead of asking 20 questions about every small thing...

PS: i saw everything that happen to all ppl since anxiety ages, i am empath and I saw suffering of whole world literally. Most ppl can't even imagine that...

Also it is really depressing many high IQ ppl (which is not intelligence so it is expected) but even OE ppl don't help each other unconditionally and are fighting between each other... We are living in absolute totalitarianism and we can't really afford it...

I hear you. Communication tends to carry two messages:
1) the selected facts, opinions, ideas, or information being shared,
2) the sender's view of the receivers, the audience, or others in general. This may range from positive to unemotionally neutral to negative.

If you gave great ideas and others tend not to appreciate them, it is possible that going forward the communication or pitch of those ideas might be softened, and negativity abated, to gain increased reception of the ideas.

You may want to consider applying your vast intelligence to understanding nuances of vocabulary, and to learning about topics related to emotional intelligence, theory of mind, perspective taking, and point of view. Although these topics may be somewhat tedious and may not be of interest at first glance, being mindful of what is conveyed by word choice or diction, may lead to more constructive, productive expression. A positive payoff for time invested.

Making negative comments or statements about attributes of those one may disagree with (such as ascribing lower intelligence level to them) is such a frequent occurance that there is a term for it: ad hominem attacks.

In general, it is not beneficial for one's communication to give an impression of lashing out in anger, cutting others down, making disparaging remarks, being divisive, or exhibiting superiority or sneering condescension. Also not helpful is making allegations/accusations about the motivations or assumptions you may ascribe.
Some links which may be of interest:
1) https://www.vocabulary.com/dictionary/retarded
2) https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/ad-hominem
3) https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/strawman
4) (cut and paste the following compound archive link from Gifted Canada) https://web.archive.org/web/20171106080703/http://www3.bc.sympatico.ca/giftedcanada/ynggift.html
Illustrating that words matter, this old summary on giftedness includes a list which compares/contrasts positive and negative views of different traits and characteristics typical of gifted children. Think: Synonyms - Antonyms. A strategy of emphasizing or selling the positive may go farther in yielding the desired results, than dwelling on the negative. Therefore, if someone states a negative, be prepared to cheerfully respond by advocating with the positive aspects.

Rather than arguing against "societally accepted rules," some may choose to incorprate the feedback provided in order to edit, refine, or craft their message. Helping gifted people, including those with overexcitabilities, often entails sharing truths, resources, tips and suggestions such as those in my posts.

It is you inability to understand in the first place, with high intelligent ppl this doesn't happen from same text and we speak across lines... You are wasting time on unimportant things... You are too bored for me to be even interested to talk to likes of you...

It was this part of your OP (original post in this thread) which inspired me to provide a response: "If someone tells me important stuff and gives me material to learn ,i honestly can generate brilliant ideas instantly."

Unfortunately, the important stuff and material to learn which I provided did not appear to inspire you to generate brilliant ideas in crafting a positive expression for your thoughts. Instead the important stuff and material to learn appear to have been rejected and dismissed as unimportant.

With this most recent post on this thread, you've provided a solid example of ad hominem attacks.

Unfortunately, you may be demonstrating something which you expressed as a concern in your OP:
"... they don't even cooperate in what benefits all of them."

For example, politeness generally benefits all. "Be polite" is the first guideline mentioned in Board Rules for this Gifted Issues Discussion Forum.

In your OP you shared, Some may say this encourages violence, and does not reflect great strategy or sound advice for next steps.

It may be wise to check the Board Rules for this Gifted Issues Discussion Forum before making further posts.

I'd been looking for a thread or post with a particular book, which seems to apply to the OP's underlying concern expressed in this thread. I thought I recalled a prior post about this book, but may have read that elsewhere, not on this forum.

So I made a new thread with a post for this book -
Unwritten Rules of Social Relationships, co-authored by Temple Grandin and Sean Barron.
http://giftedissues.davidsongifted.org/B...html#Post250180