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    They could also quite easily allow a parent to register their child, but again apparently not something they want to bother with.

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    CTY using only SAT tests for SET already seems problematic to me for non Mathy kids. Especially non US raised non Kathy kids.

    They do seem to want to embrace a multinational cohort, but I can’t imagine they have nearly as many non-US verbal qualifiers at all. It seems like this may be the end of them having any non-US SET kids at all?

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    JHU accepts the ACT for CTY. Are there any concerns about age restrictions or test format of the ACT for younger gifted applicants?


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    Based on my recent correspondence with the CTY-SET program, they are only accepting the SAT at the moment (the more general CTY program though, does accept a multitude of other tests)

    More so than biasing towards US/mathy kids, the CTY-SET -- or any of these talent search programs in general -- seems to be biased towards families who have the resource to do the reasearch and jump through all the hoops to get their kids tested.

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    A couple of thoughts:

    -The talent search programs tend to be very similar for the rather straightforward reason that most of them were founded by professors from the same academic lineage, generally with roots in Julian Stanley's research group at JHU and his collaborators.

    -The history of the searches includes innovators whose contributions were motivated by the frustrations of highly-resourced parents who still could not find good educational solutions for their children (in some cases, early researchers involved their actual own children, deidentified, of course), as well as innovators who wondered why reports of EG/PG learners were so much more rare anecodotally than psychometrics would have predicted, and set out to lower the bar to identifying them in a psychometrically rigorous way.

    Either way, they began from university research labs and worked their way out to larger swathes of the population. It seems that many of the resulting programs have retained a higher value for statistical rigor (thus controlling for variables, such as the type of test taken) than for the types of integrated, multi-factorial admissions approaches current among the majority of application-only institutions at every level of education.

    There is value in both approaches to selection, especially at an institution such as SET (and others), which continues with ongoing research on the eligible pool. (They are, after all, the --Study-- of Exceptional Talent.) Changing their qualification criteria might, in their view, jeopardize some of their long-term research, as comparisons across pools would become much more challenging, if not impossible. The re-centering and re-designs of the SAT have already thrown some dust in that air.

    CTY, in contrast, is an educational entity whose mission is much more about meeting the intellectual and social needs of the students who participate. Consequently, its leadership likely feels more freedom to explore/apply more generous (and accessible) criteria. The current pilot study to use routine school-administered instruments for eligibility purposes suggests that equity and access is something they are attempting to address.


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    Thanks for providing the historic perspective.

    One does wonder if the selection bias undercuts some of the results of the longitudinal studies from these programs somewhat.

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    That's an interesting question. But I would imagine that the type of selection bias they have now is quite similar to the selection bias they had 40 years ago, so the net effect on the discussion likely falls mainly with regard to the generalizabiliy of the results beyond the study population.


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    ACT refused registration to my 11 yo. They will no longer process registrations nor will they update their software which could easily accommodate parent registration. I emailed or gifted division to see if they would arrange SAT administrator but it is unlikely to happen. I am terribly frustrated.

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