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    #247249 - 06/19/20 07:41 PM Why doesn't DYS consider QRI?
    slmw Offline
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    Registered: 05/31/20
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    DD8's WISC-V results came back. She ceiling-ed only in the arithmetic subtest.

    We have a QRI of 146 and a NVI of 142. FSIQ is 136. NVI misses DYS by 3 points, but it looks like QRI will not be considered? Should we just forget about applying to DYS if this will be a definite rejection?

    #247251 - 06/20/20 08:42 AM Re: Why doesn't DYS consider QRI? [Re: slmw]
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    Registered: 04/27/13
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    Members of this forum cannot speak for DYS, but can only share their own family's first-hand experience, their opinions/advice, and what they recall hearing from others.

    1) Why doesn't DYS consider QRI?
    Possibly because other measures are a stronger indicator of profound giftedness?

    2) Your child is obviously very bright. It appears the FSIQ is 9 points below qualifying, was a GAI calculated?

    3) While a child's test score may not show they would most benefit from the services offered by DYS, it may be harsh to characterize this as a "rejection."
    Originally Posted By: DYS webpage
    Q. What if my child does not meet the minimum qualification criteria?

    As we strive to serve the extreme of the gifted population, the scores listed on our website are considered to be the minimum eligibility requirements. However, we recognize that testing is only a snapshot of a whole child and we take the entire application into consideration when determining eligibility. If the tester feels there were extenuating circumstances preventing a child from meeting the minimum criteria, a letter from the tester can be included with the application in the Supplemental Information section. You may also submit a portfolio as part of the Supplemental Information section.

    Many very bright students may not meet our qualification criteria for this program, but are likely to benefit from the information and free resources that the Davidson Institute makes available to the public via our websites, including our searchable Davidson Gifted Database, the public Gifted Issues discussion forum, and several guidebooks

    My personal take on this, would be to apply: Nothing ventured, nothing gained. If your child's scores, plus any documented extenuating circumstances, plus any portfolio submitted does not meet the criteria, then further down the road your child could potentially be tested again and you could reapply. In the meanwhile, enjoy the forum, the guidebooks, and researching material available on the Davidson Database.

    #247266 - 06/21/20 05:06 PM Re: Why doesn't DYS consider QRI? [Re: slmw]
    aeh Online   content

    Registered: 04/26/14
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    Likewise, I can't/don't speak for DYS, but from a psychometric angle, the QRI is likely not one of the acceptable indices for qualification because it is too narrow of a construct, and too limited in g-loading to stand as a proxy for overall PG-ness. The indices they selected generally are those with more robust psychometric qualities and loading on general intelligence.

    I would also agree that there is nothing to lose (other than a bit of your time and effort) from applying. If they don't qualify her this time around, you can always apply in the future (with new test scores, at least 24 months from now to avoid retest invalidation). In any case, if not qualified, she will be in exactly the same situation she was before.

    Also, if what you are looking for is advocacy, information or other support for a GT child, DYS is not the only resource out there. You might want to look into your state chapter of the National Association for Gifted Children (e.g., California:, or Mensa (she has qualifying scores), or one of the major academic talent search centers (JHU's CTY, Duke's TIP).

    Or you can just hang out here in this very nice online community, and talk to us. smile


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