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    #246732 - 02/04/20 04:58 AM Re: College admissions over - Ask me anything [Re: mithawk]
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    Short answer: Yes.

    Of the HYPSM schools, all are single choice early action except MIT. As my son applied early to Princeton, he could not apply early to any other private school. He did however apply early to Michigan and was accepted there. After being deferred from Princeton, he applied to many schools as part of the regular decision process. The application to Yale was submitted near the end of December.

    As you said, most likely letters are for athletics. They are given almost a year before the student joins college (like say September 2019 for a student joining college September 2020). The student-athlete then applies early action fully expecting to be admitted.

    Most and perhaps all Ivys also send out a smaller number of non-athlete likely letters as part of the regular decision process. Depending upon the college, these get sent out anywhere from near the end of January to early March. The goal is to get the recipients to think highly about this college before hearing about all other college decisions later in March.

    As we recently learned, Yale generates about 100 likely letters specifically targeting STEM kids, and follows that up with a Yale Engineering and Science Weekend (YES-W) where they bring in these kids and try to get them to fall in love with Yale. Apparently STEM is where Yale wants to strengthen its student body.

    In contrast, I have heard that Stanford sends its likely letters to humanities kids, as it has plenty of strong STEM kids already. Harvard sends its likely letters out in mid-February. It doesn't target any specific set of majors for its likely letters, but sends them out to whoever they think will best strengthen its student body.

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    #246734 - 02/04/20 03:13 PM Re: College admissions over - Ask me anything [Re: mithawk]
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    Thanks. I did a google search after I wrote the question, but it was good to get clarification from you. From the athletes I have talked to though, the likely letters are Aug/Sep of the year of application. They do the whole recruitment dance through junior year and you need your scores for the likely letter. But it could be just the athletes I have talked with.

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    #246735 - 02/04/20 05:40 PM Re: College admissions over - Ask me anything [Re: Wren]
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    Originally Posted By: Wren
    From the athletes I have talked to though, the likely letters are Aug/Sep of the year of application. They do the whole recruitment dance through junior year and you need your scores for the likely letter. But it could be just the athletes I have talked with.

    We are in agreement. For athletes, a likely letter in Aug/Sep of the year of application is about a year before college starts, which is what I wrote above.

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    #246736 - 02/04/20 05:42 PM Re: College admissions over - Ask me anything [Re: mithawk]
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    Am I the only one who thinks that Ivies recruiting athletes is totally ridiculous?

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    #246743 - 02/05/20 04:12 AM Re: College admissions over - Ask me anything [Re: mithawk]
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    Sorry Mithawk. I misread. Recruiting athletes is not ridiculous when it comes to fundraising. So if you want all that financil aid, you need the football team.

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    #246744 - 02/05/20 05:09 AM Re: College admissions over - Ask me anything [Re: Wren]
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    Sorry, but that in no way justifies all the kids recruited for cross country, fencing, sailing, equestrian, squash, skiing, softball... I could go on and on, including what happens once these athletes are matriculated, but no need. I think most people get it.

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    #246746 - 02/05/20 02:38 PM Re: College admissions over - Ask me anything [Re: mithawk]
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    MIT recruits for sailing. But as other schools of that ilk, they have to recruit kids that can do the course work. You cannot get in MIT for sailing without being able to do the coursework. And the schools want extracurriculars. They want people who don't just sit in their rooms and study. They play tennis, they run track, they play in the orchestra, start businesses -- like FB or Microsoft. Starting a business is a hook. I know a kid that got into Harvard last year framing that on his CV. All these kids have great scores. It is not that they cannot do the coursework and excel. They just differentiate themselves. Do some kids on the football team get on with weaker scores than most, I would bet on it. But the kid that gets recruited for fencing is going to have great scores. I have done a lot of work on this. I heard from a mother whose daughter got recruited by 2 ivys. She is at one. She is not a top track star. She is a really good, disciplined track competitor with top scores from a private academic feeder school. And when I say recruited, most athletes at these top schools initiate contact with coaches. They send their athletic CV with a scholatic score sheet showing they could get admitted based on scores. You cannot get athletic recruitment without submitting your academic scores. And 25% of athletes submitted for recruitment get turned down because of scores were not high enough.

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    #246747 - 02/05/20 02:40 PM Re: College admissions over - Ask me anything [Re: mithawk]
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    I take back one thing. I do know that girls in hockey can get into Harvard without top scores. Probabaly Dartmouth et al also. But they have to be decent scores.

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    #246748 - 02/06/20 03:55 AM Re: College admissions over - Ask me anything [Re: mithawk]
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    And, I checked out the Harvard girls sailing roster. 7 out of 10 were walk ons. No sailing experience. They did not recruited. And only of the remaininng 3 had a decent sailing CV. Hence, no one is going out of their way to recruit these kids if they didn't have decent scores. So they have great scores but they also have a hook of being pretty good at their sport. Disciplined, competitive. Things that generally make a successful person in life.

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    #246756 - 02/10/20 09:01 AM Re: College admissions over - Ask me anything [Re: mithawk]
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    A previous post discussed an issue our junior will face and I wonder how you, or others, factored it into admission decisions?

    As many users of this site we supplemented what was taught at his public school as we did not want to homeschool. Also, he now goes to a high school that does offer advanced STEM courses, MVC, DiffEQ, Lin Alg, etc., which has been wonderful. As we understand, if luckly enough to get into MIT, etc., then their Lin Alg course will be challenging even if it was taken before? However, if he attends unis lower down the list, it will not necessarily be the case.

    For instance, GT would make him repeat all courses that are not AP or DE. Our instate unis will accept some of these courses, not all though. Hopefully, he gets into a tippy top and if so maybe not an issue, but if he does not he currently prefers the instate option as opposed to going to a school that makes him repeat a course that he knows already.

    I have read that some unis will allow you to test out of a course and select another higher level course instead which would be much better. Does anyone have experience with this and how did you go about figuring it all out? His current plan is to apply to around 10 unis and then after acceptances are out, begin the process of contacting them to see what is possible.

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