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    #246226 - 10/18/19 12:57 PM I am looking to get my child tested....WHERE?
    madyson007 Offline
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    Registered: 02/01/17
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    Please help! We have a child who is 4.5 ( 04/02/2015). She is currently in preschool and we suspect that she is gifted. We would like to have her assessed before she heads to public school. WISC, Stanford-Binet, We have concerns about how she will fit into public school. She has more than surpassed a kindergarten curriculum and she still has a whole year of pre-school left. We would like to be armed with information before she gets to public school because some kind of differentiated work or possibly a grade skip is going to have to happen for her. We live in South Jersey/Philadelphia area can you tell us where we can get her tested. A place that doesn't cost a fortune would be appreciated. I am thanking you all in advance for any help you can offer.

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    #246230 - 10/21/19 06:28 PM Re: I am looking to get my child tested....WHERE? [Re: madyson007]
    Portia Offline
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    Registered: 03/17/13
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    The general consensus is that IQ tests are unreliable until around age 7. You may do better saving some of her work to present a portfolio to the school.

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    #246231 - 10/21/19 07:13 PM Re: I am looking to get my child tested....WHERE? [Re: madyson007]
    aeh Offline
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    Registered: 04/26/14
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    Welcome!

    Both of the states you name do not require or recommend formal testing of the WPPSI/WISC/SB variety until at least second or third grade for GT identification through the public schools. Multiple measures usually include portfolios documenting work at least one year above age-locked grade level; I would agree with Portia that a portfolio is likely to be more productive, especially since the gold standard IQ tests should not be administered more frequently than every 24 months, so if you have her tested within a certain distance in time from when the district decides to test, you may have burned the administration opportunity on premature testing.

    In any case, differentiation is more useful if it is based on where the student actually is performing at the moment of differentiation, rather than projections of where the student will be performing. And nearly all schools use probes for reading and math achievement at least three times a year, and often monthly for the primary grades (K-2). Teachers will have many opportunities to document an incoming student's achievement on, below, or above grade-level expectations. The data will be there.

    Now if early entry or grade-skipping is your thought, you will need to inquire at your actual LEA (public school district) about policies and decision-making processes for early admits and grade acceleration. For example, one of the major municipalities you name does not admit early under any circumstances whatsoever. However, they will enter older five-year-olds directly to first grade if they have already completed an accredited full day kindergarten (presumably private, or transferred from another district) program. So in that district, if you wanted to get a grade skip next year, you could do so if your child had a birthday no later than Feb 1, 2015, and you would also have to transfer your child into a NAEYC full day kindy this school year.

    Other than when entering kindergarten and first grade, nearly all public schools will allow a student to transfer in from a private school based on their last grade completed. But that just pushes this question to a private school (and costs extra tuition).

    On a totally different note, it may be well to consider what is in the best interests of your child's overall development. Academic development is one thing, but there's plenty of time for that. The preschool and kindergarten (and even first grade) years are principally about soft skills. It may be that your child is equally advanced in many of those areas (social skills, emotional regulation, fine motor skills, attention span, etc.), and a global acceleration would be appropriate. Or it may be that some skills are far ahead, some are delayed, and/or some are right on age-level (aka, asynchrony). In this very common situation, placement decisions will require weighing the need for challenge, peers, or remediation in different dimensions, and will inevitably involve tradeoffs. In any case, wherever she is today, she will be in a very different place a year from now, or even six months from now, just because of the nature of early childhood development.

    Also, whatever decisions are made won't be nearly as immutable as you may currently feel they might be! Observe her, collect any interesting portfolio items as they are produced, and enjoy her. It is highly likely that she will signal when the school environment becomes unsuitable, and you, as an attentive and caring parent, will start to feel that something is off. Pay attention to those subtle cues, and investigate when they emerge, but don't feel like you have to forestall any moment of educational misfit before it occurs. Permanent harm is unlikely to ensue from temporary mismatches. smile

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    #246234 - 10/22/19 04:21 AM Re: I am looking to get my child tested....WHERE? [Re: madyson007]
    philly103 Offline
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    Registered: 03/02/17
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    I live in the same general area. We had our DS tested at 3.5 and I don't know that it provided much benefit in how the school responded to him. They listened of course but they also did their own evaluation and put more stock into that.

    As the others said, a portfolio of of work seemed more persuasive in the end.

    If you're in PA, although the gifted programs start later, grade 2 or 3, you can still request an individualized gifted education program for your child and the school district is obligated to respond. This is via Chapter 16: Special Education for Gifted Children.

    It applies as soon as you are enrolled in a public school, including kindergarten. So you can enroll in the summer and make your request soon after that. I can't speak to how good/effective it is because we went private. But it's worth knowing because most of the public schools only tell you about the formal program that starts later.

    If you're in NJ, I don't have any information about them.

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    #246235 - 10/22/19 05:33 PM Re: I am looking to get my child tested....WHERE? [Re: madyson007]
    indigo Offline
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    Registered: 04/27/13
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    Welcome!

    You've received great advice above.

    Have you looked into IQ tests...?
    Hoagies Gifted Education Page is a great resource, with several links to explore on testing, including testers (by State).

    I'll just add a link to a roundup on grade skips ,
    a link which mentions differentiation (and other buzzwords),
    and a link to a roundup on advocacy.

    Once you have test results, the information at these links may prove useful in negotiating for appropriate placement and classroom experiences, to meet your child's academic and educational needs. Many parents have learned too late that partnering with a school is not a simple matter of handing them test results and trusting them to appropriately support and challenge your child. Beginning to explore these links now may manage your expectations and help you prepare, proactively.

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    #246236 - 10/23/19 03:43 AM Re: I am looking to get my child tested....WHERE? [Re: madyson007]
    NotSoGifted Offline
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    Registered: 04/14/12
    Posts: 445
    The testing location I was going to recommend closed last year, after operating for 50 or 60 years. However, you should easily be able to find someone to test (don't know about price) if you look at lists provided by local private schools.

    Many private schools in the Philadelphia area require WISC or similar for admissions for younger kids, Here is one such list (first on the list is the closed location): https://www.baldwinschool.org/admissions/applying-to-baldwin/lower-school

    I agree with others that this probably won't help with your local public school. Our public school insists on doing the IQ test themselves, and they choose which test (because they want to make the process as difficult as possible, and don't want to help the kid).

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