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    #224433 - 10/26/15 08:34 AM Section 504 - bad teacher - Help please
    Dittos Offline
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    Registered: 07/06/15
    Posts: 4
    I need some help.

    My son is 14 and a freshman in high school. He has been diagnosed with anxiety disorder and autism spectrum disorder. He struggles with the mechanics of writing (spelling, punctuation, capitalization), penmanship, verbal, multi-step instructions, organization and anxiety. His math assessments have been off the chart. I don't even know where he lands as his recent ACT Explore Exam math result was 100% and his MAP results have been between 99% to 100% for years.

    So... he entered high school with his algebra credit. He chose to double up and take geometry and algebra II concurrently. He has 112% (an A) in Algebra II and loves his Alg II teacher. He has a C in geometry. His geometry teacher is docking his homework and tests for spelling and hand writing on all of the proofs.

    During conferences, I noted his 504 plan that gives him accommodation in these areas. His teacher told me, 'he does not give students a pass in any area. If they can't do all the work then they don't get the grade'. To get ammunition, I asked for copies of the tests. The teacher told me he would send them home with my son the next day. I never got them. I emailed to ask again. Here's the response, "I was expecting DS to ask for them again. I believe that students should learn to take care of themselves."

    I'm livid. A kid with an anxiety disorder is not going to ask in front of other students. I need help with my response.

    My email so far, "I did not realize that he needed to ask for them again as you told me you would give them to him. I've heard you tell me verbally two times that students should learn to take care of themselves and once now in writing. I feel I need to remind you that (my son) is on a Section 504 Accommodation Plan. <here is where I want to define a 504 plan but I want to emphasis that it is intended to accommodate a child to learn to their POTENTIAL and can't find verbiage>

    I will also note DS's past assessment scores (or do you think that's overkill?). I struggle with fighting for my son and being the helicopter parent that ultimately hurts him.

    Can someone with experience help me with this?


    Edited by Dittos (10/26/15 09:13 AM)

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    #224436 - 10/26/15 09:01 AM Re: Section 504 - bad teacher - Help please [Re: Dittos]
    madeinuk Offline
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    Registered: 03/18/13
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    Loc: NJ
    Hello - if I were you I would substitute DS (dear son) for all occurrences of your son's name. You wouldn't want this post to show up wth a Google search of his name. This would definitely increase his anxiety...
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    #224438 - 10/26/15 09:11 AM Re: Section 504 - bad teacher - Help please [Re: madeinuk]
    Dittos Offline
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    Registered: 07/06/15
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    I thought I had. I missed one. Thank you!!!
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    #224441 - 10/26/15 09:31 AM Re: Section 504 - bad teacher - Help please [Re: Dittos]
    NotherBen Offline
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    Registered: 03/24/14
    Posts: 313
    Oh, yes, the "he should self-advocate" even when that is soooo hard for them. Bypass DS altogether, and ask the teacher to leave the tests in the school office for you to pick up.

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    #224442 - 10/26/15 09:48 AM Re: Section 504 - bad teacher - Help please [Re: Dittos]
    BSM Offline
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    Registered: 02/25/13
    Posts: 166
    This teacher has the wrong mindset and is likely not in compliance with the 504. You may need to have a meeting with the school to make sure that the 504 is followed. If you do so, make sure you have all of the evidence, e.g., emails, etc. that shows your DS's math scores, his disabilities, and this teacher's refused to accommodate for them.

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    #224446 - 10/26/15 10:10 AM Re: Section 504 - bad teacher - Help please [Re: Dittos]
    polarbear Offline
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    Registered: 09/29/11
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    As an intro, I have a ds in high school who is dysgraphic and struggles with expressive language (difficulty putting thoughts into words, hence difficulties talking to teachers). We've had a similar struggle with a particular teacher. My advice, at this point, is to talk to your school's 504 coordinator rather than pursuing this with the teacher at this point. You can start by emailing the 504 coordinator, briefly state what you think is happening that is a potential 504 violation, and then ask that they look into it. At my ds' school, this would generate a conversation between the 504 coordinator and the teacher. If this didn't resolve the issue, you can call a 504 team meeting, with the geometry teacher in attendance. It's possible you may need to request to add something to the 504 re communication if there's nothing in the 504 at this point that accommodates for a situation like this where your ds needs to communicate with a teacher but his ability to communicate is limited due to his disability (anxiety and/or other).

    Quote:
    I struggle with fighting for my son and being the helicopter parent that ultimately hurts him.


    I think many of us who are parenting children with disabilities (and even nt kids) feel this way at times. For me, it helps to reframe how you look at and approach what you are doing for your ds. When you advocate, you are teaching him how to stand up and advocate for himself, which he will need to do someday, when he's ready, and when he's prepared. There are things that the school can do for our kids, accommodations and remediation, but there is nothing more powerful in a child's life than the lesson they learn when they see their parent stand up and advocate for them. When you speak up for your ds, you are showing him how to speak up for himself, and, added bonus, you are showing him that you believe in him and that he's worth standing up for. So throw away the worries about helicoptering - that's not what you are doing here.

    A few other thoughts - fwiw. This teacher has a mindset that he isn't going to bend for your ds. He may very well treat other students this way too. Have you heard anything about him from other parents? Not that that will help with the issue for your ds, but it may give some perspective on his personality. Another thing - quite a few of my ds' high school teachers do *not* send graded homework and tests home - ever. The reason? They reuse the same tests/assignments year after year. This caused an issue for our ds in a few of his classes the first year both due to him not being able to review what was marked off on writing assignments in a way that allowed him to try to improve his work the next assignment, and also it made it impossible for me to ever have a clue if his 504 was being followed re spelling/etc accommodations. We were advised to ask for an accommodation that specifies all graded classwork will come home for one night, and then be returned to class, to be sure that parents saw it and that our ds has a chance to review the graded work.

    Best wishes,

    polarbear

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    #224451 - 10/26/15 10:51 AM Re: Section 504 - bad teacher - Help please [Re: Dittos]
    dreamsbig Offline
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    Registered: 09/19/14
    Posts: 65
    Originally Posted By: Dittos
    His teacher told me, 'he does not give students a pass in any area. If they can't do all the work then they don't get the grade'.
    sooooo this apparently is a penmanship and spelling class and not a math class.

    So sorry you and your DS has to deal with this teacher. Just reading your post makes me angry. This is exactly the kind of BS (grading on things other than the actual material) that made me disengage in HS.

    Making things worse, the teacher seems to think the 504 doesn't apply to him. Review the language of the 504. If necessary, can you have it changed to make the accommodations more specific, i.e.. "points will not be taken off for spelling or penmanship"?

    Another thought, since this seems like an uphill battle with this particular teacher, if you pulled DS from the class could he take it next year with another teacher?

    Wish I could be more help.

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    #224460 - 10/26/15 12:38 PM Re: Section 504 - bad teacher - Help please [Re: dreamsbig]
    Dittos Offline
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    Registered: 07/06/15
    Posts: 4
    Originally Posted By: dreamsbig
    Originally Posted By: Dittos
    His teacher told me, 'he does not give students a pass in any area. If they can't do all the work then they don't get the grade'.
    sooooo this apparently is a penmanship and spelling class and not a math class.

    So sorry you and your DS has to deal with this teacher. Just reading your post makes me angry. This is exactly the kind of BS (grading on things other than the actual material) that made me disengage in HS.

    Making things worse, the teacher seems to think the 504 doesn't apply to him. Review the language of the 504. If necessary, can you have it changed to make the accommodations more specific, i.e.. "points will not be taken off for spelling or penmanship"?

    Another thought, since this seems like an uphill battle with this particular teacher, if you pulled DS from the class could he take it next year with another teacher?

    Wish I could be more help.

    It would devastate DS to drop and have to retake. He has his math all mapped out. He's 2 years ahead and can begin college math his senior year of h.s.

    I re-wrote my email and said, "It is important to know and distinguish whether DS understands the geometry concepts or if his disability is preventing him from expressing his understanding of concepts to your satisfaction." I also copied the 504 coordinator on my email.

    From what DS tells me, he can do the regular problems fine but writing out the proofs is killing him.

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    #224479 - 10/27/15 07:04 AM Re: Section 504 - bad teacher - Help please [Re: Dittos]
    Platypus101 Offline
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    Registered: 10/01/14
    Posts: 671
    Loc: Canada
    Additional thought - would it help him to take the hand-writing out of the proofs? There are a variety of apps to support keyboarded math.

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    #224483 - 10/27/15 07:27 AM Re: Section 504 - bad teacher - Help please [Re: Dittos]
    snowgirl Offline
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    Registered: 02/24/08
    Posts: 361
    I had the same thought as Platypus. I'm trying to convince my ds to try writing proofs with his Surface 3 using OneNote. The pen can be used to draw though I haven't checked yet to see if OneNote can support drawing tools; I really like that you can click anywhere and type.

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