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    The Bright Students Left Behind
    By CHESTER E. FINN JR. And BRANDON L. WRIGHT
    Wall Street Journal
    Aug. 19, 2015

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    Poor test scores show that gifted American children still aren’t reaching the heights they are capable of. How do other nations achieve better results? We set out to examine 11 of them—four in Asia, four in Europe, and three that speak English—for our forthcoming book, “Failing Our Brightest Kids: The Global Challenge of Educating High-Ability Students.”

    Unsurprisingly we found that culture, values and attitudes matter a great deal. Parents in Korea, Japan and Taiwan push their kids to excel, and often pay for outside tutors and cram schools. So costly has this become, so taxing for parents whose children come home exhausted late at night, that families are apt to have only a single child—unwittingly contributing to their nations’ demographic crashes.

    Finland is a different story. Equity and inclusion are the bywords, and teachers are supposed to “differentiate” instruction to meet the unique needs of every child. Elitism is taboo and competition frowned upon. Yet Helsinki boasts an underground of specialized elementary schools that parents jockey to get their children into. Most Finnish high schools practice selective admission, including more than 50 that, as a local education expert told us, “can just as well be called schools for the gifted and talented.”

    In Germany and Switzerland, too, the high schools (“gymnasiums”) that prepare students for university are mostly selective. A handful also have intensive tracks with extra courses for uncommonly able youngsters.

    Western Australia, like Singapore, screens all schoolchildren in third or fourth grade to see which of them show academic promise. Those who excel can choose to enter specialized classrooms or after-school enrichment programs. Both places also boast super-selective public high schools akin to Boston Latin School or the Bronx High School of Science.

    Both Ontario and Taiwan treat gifted children as eligible for “special education,” much like disabled students, giving them access to additional resources. But these students are also squashed under cumbersome procedures: For instance, a committee must review their progress annually, and generally they may not transfer out of the school that the bureaucracy assigns them to.

    What lessons can the U.S. take from this research on how to raise the academic ceiling, while also lifting the floor?
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    My cynical immediate reaction to this snippet (have not yet read the whole article) is that it doesn't seem like any other country has it figured out. Perhaps some advantages to the Western Australia/Singapore and German/Swiss models.

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    Chester Finn is an advocate of the Common Core, which will eventually standardize education and eliminate tracking in order to cut costs. I'm not sure how that supports gifted children, lumping all children into one pathway.

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    Originally Posted by NGR
    Chester Finn is an advocate of the Common Core, which will eventually standardize education and eliminate tracking in order to cut costs. I'm not sure how that supports gifted children, lumping all children into one pathway.

    And then the Common Core will cause the sky to turn red. The oceans will also boil away and life on earth as we know it will end. shocked

    Or, alternatively, maybe all those other countries (whose kids who do so much better than ours) have standards that students have to meet.

    No, that can't be it. Standards = mass extinction.

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    Chester Finn also supports vouchers and tax credits to charter schools, private school scholarships, and education non profits. These amount to $1.5 billion lost from the Treasury per year. Chester is a regular speaker at Jeb Bush's Foundation for Excellence in Education summits, where they discuss standardizing education, tech-based education, pay for performance accountability, and strategies for making money off the education sector.

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    Originally Posted by ConnectingDots
    My cynical immediate reaction to this snippet (have not yet read the whole article) is that it doesn't seem like any other country has it figured out. Perhaps some advantages to the Western Australia/Singapore and German/Swiss models.


    My own cynical reaction is that tracking obviously works with even Finland doing it just not in name - their high schools are more like the German gymnasium or old British public/grammar school system than not.

    So why exactly are our brilliant (sic) leaders ignoring this if not to ensure that our progeny will never compete with theirs on an even playing field.

    We need to be more outraged about this state of affairs than we actually appear to be.

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    Originally Posted by NGR
    Chester Finn also supports vouchers and tax credits to charter schools, private school scholarships, and education non profits.
    All positive developments in my opinion, as long as there are minimum accreditation standards and guidelines on what can and cannot be taught. I wouldn't want education funds to be used for teaching intelligent design, for example.

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    These amount to $1.5 billion lost from the Treasury per year.
    The money collected is meant to be used for education, and this is exactly what the parents want to do. Let the money follow the child.

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    Mithawk, the $1.5 billion is going into the pockets of the hedge fund partners that are investing in the test prep charter schools. This money is leaving the pool of money that would otherwise support K-12 education.

    Tom Loveless from the Brookings Institute wrote an interesting piece on tracking and the Common Core:
    http://www.brookings.edu/research/papers/2015/01/29-tracking-common-core-loveless


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    Personally, I don't care where the money comes from or whose pockets it ends up in. IMO, those who do are watching the wrong fairground huckster's hand.

    I care about how the money is spent.

    I care about the future of this country because it will have a direct impact on the future opportunities my and other's children in this country have. If we don't focus on high educational standards and differentiation for those that can attain yet higher standards then, we, as a country are going to become an economic backwater.

    Modern jobs and good incomes are going to those with skills - countries that have those skills are going to thrive because corporations will locate there. Countries that do not will wither on the vine.

    Not a nice comfortable fairy tale prospect, is it? We have to face facts and address reality as it exists not how we would prefer to fantasize about it.

    Anyone that worries about the source OE the destination of the money is worrying about the proverbial colour of the curtains while the house is on fire.

    True equality of opportunity exists when tracking is implemented for all chidren. Taking it away from public schools just means that those who can afford not to endure such willful stupidity on the part of the DOE and local school districts will merely move their chidren to schools that do differentiate. This will suck opportunities away from the unfortunate kids whose parents cannot afford to opt out. Thus, tracking/ GT programs are actually the polar opposite of elitism because they open the doors of opportunity to all who can leap the bar instead just those that can leap the bar AND by accident of birth also have parents who can afford other options.

    However, let us not lose sight of WHY those parents are opting out and fix that!


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    The OP's article makes a lot of good points.

    I think that an unmentioned but important problem in the US isn't just what's taught, but HOW stuff is taught. Our system doesn't do a good job of teaching for understanding. Our math books present algorithms to be memorized, our science tests ask questions that require regurgitation of information, and much of our K-6 reading lessons focus on short-ish passages followed by multiple choice questions. Contrast with places like Ireland and Switzerland, which spend a lot of time on helping kids understand ideas, and which have a minimal emphasis on multiple choice questions.

    "Teaching to the test" in a place like Ireland means, "the exam will have questions about these four novels, so we're going to read them, talk about them, and write about them."

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    Reference from 2009 supporting Val's point in mathematics:

    http://www.air.org/resource/how-mas...e-hong-kong-students-grade-3-mathematics


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    I'm curious whether the students in Hong Kong who were tested were already top performing students, or at least average or above, because the low-level kids were filtered out and tracked to non-academic career pathways. In the US, the scores reflect all the kids, even the ones who come from low SES and have low cognitive ability. So in Hong Kong, and similar high-performing countries, who is being tested?

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    NPR interviews Chester Finn, co-author of the op-ed cited in the original post:

    How The U.S. Is Neglecting Its Smartest Kids
    AUGUST 24, 2015
    by ANYA KAMENETZ
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    Chester E. Finn Jr. has three very bright granddaughters. He thinks they "have considerable academic potential and are not always being challenged by their schools." Finn is not just a proud grandpa; he's a long-established expert on education policy with the Fordham Institute and Hoover Institution.

    So it's not surprising that his grandkids got him wondering about — and researching — a big question: How well is the U.S. educating its top performers?

    His answer: not very. "High achievers are being neglected in all sort of ways by schools that had no incentive to push them farther up."

    His research became a book, with co-author Brandon Wright, out next month from Harvard Education Press. It's titled Failing Our Brightest Kids: The Global Challenge of Educating High-Ability Students. It contains an analysis of the U.S. issue, plus case studies on gifted education from a dozen countries around the world.

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    Originally Posted by blackcat
    I'm curious whether the students in Hong Kong who were tested were already top performing students, or at least average or above, because the low-level kids were filtered out and tracked to non-academic career pathways. In the US, the scores reflect all the kids, even the ones who come from low SES and have low cognitive ability. So in Hong Kong, and similar high-performing countries, who is being tested?

    Another factor is there's a culture of hyperventilating over test scores in Hong Kong, like in much of SE Asia. A 98% is not to be celebrated, it's a family crisis.

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    Look at China as a whole. Seventy-five percent are illiterate. Since the Tiananmen Square protests in 1989, economic policies have changed to favor the wealthy few. One of these policies has been the privatization of schools. Today the Chinese government contributes the equivalent of 1 cent per year, per child to their education. The young people toil away in factories without basic rights and basic benefits, that we take for granted, to pay for the education of one relative. The hope is that one relative can pull the entire family out of poverty with an education. The exams are so important. If the child does not receive the highest marks, he cannot go on to college and that entire family investment is wasted. It's definitely high-stakes testing. Unfortunately, the rural poor do not have access to the best schools and tutoring programs necessary to pass these exams, so the odds are not good for them.



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    Originally Posted by NGR
    Look at China as a whole. Seventy-five percent are illiterate. Since the Tiananmen Square protests in 1989, economic policies have changed to favor the wealthy few. One of these policies has been the privatization of schools. Today the Chinese government contributes the equivalent of 1 cent per year, per child to their education. The young people toil away in factories without basic rights and basic benefits, that we take for granted, to pay for the education of one relative. The hope is that one relative can pull the entire family out of poverty with an education. The exams are so important. If the child does not receive the highest marks, he cannot go on to college and that entire family investment is wasted. It's definitely high-stakes testing. Unfortunately, the rural poor do not have access to the best schools and tutoring programs necessary to pass these exams, so the odds are not good for them.


    China has lots of problems. And some of what you said may even be true. But let us get our facts right, please. According to UNICEF, China's literacy rate is 95%.

    http://www.unicef.org/infobycountry/china_statistics.html


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    Originally Posted by NGR
    Look at China as a whole. Seventy-five percent are illiterate.
    That number surprised me. Wikipedia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_literacy_rate disagrees, saying that 95% of Chinese are literate. Another link http://www.theglobalist.com/11-facts-chinas-improving-literacy-rate/ says the same thing. What is the source for your 75% illiteracy statistic?

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    You are right. That was a stupid comment. 75% live in rural areas. Literacy is defined as about a 4th grade education. It still not accurate to compare higher PISA scores in Hong Kong to the USA.

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    It's worth noting that Hong Kong is a slightly different animal from mainland China, as it was an independent British protectorate until 1997, and high property prices have prevented a significant influx of mainlanders from permanently relocating there. Mainlanders now swarm the island for work, shopping, and general tourism, but then they mostly go home.

    Also, there's no "rural" in Hong Kong.

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    I wouldn't want education funds to be used for teaching intelligent design, for example.

    Too late. Private school scholarships paid for by public funds do eaxactly that, and more.

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    The brightest students not only fall behind, but often reach the bottom in society. Few actually see it let alone have awareness. These people are often consumed by depression and all else that comes with it which leads to poor methods of self medicating it, if not worse.

    True gifted students are never seen as gifted by the institutions they attend nor by the peers who surround them. They are often bullied by their peers for having views, social skills, ect outside the norm becoming quiet, shy and withdrawn. They have little interest in the work even if they can do it to satisfaction. They know the work is neither mentally stimulating nor is it of any practical use. Such students become withdrawn, disconnected or hyper active. Teachers only see the byproduct of underachievement, not the cause. These student are often medicated (for parent who don't know better) or placed in special education where everything responsible for their underachievement becomes far more intense. These students are often placed with other low achievers who also poses behavioral problems such as bullying. Some students are even sent to special out-of-district schools for behavioral or learning disabled students which are nothing more than legalized child abuse run by convicts with no oversight. I know because I've seen it first hand. Gifted individuals have absolutely no place in public education unless a radical paradigm shift happens which I don't see happening any time soon.

    Our fundamental view of education is wrong. Our fundamental understanding achievement is wrong. Our understanding of cognition is wrong. Our understanding of learning is wrong. Our understanding of talent and its nurture it wrong. Our understanding regarding the etiology of human behavior is wrong. And certainly our understanding of trauma on the brain and human development is millennia behind.

    In regards to public education educators are neither trained in identifying gifted students nor are they legally required to provide an education that suits gifted learners in most states. And even when they are, how do they gauge what is appropriate?

    The damages has been done and continues to be done out of pure assumptions.



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    Edward, I'm sorry for your painful experiences. I hope it is somewhat healing to have the support, understanding, and validation of the members of this Davidson Gifted Issues Discussion Forum.

    The Davidsons began the Institute for Talent Development specifically due to recognizing that the gifted population was underserved.

    Originally Posted by Edward
    The brightest students not only fall behind, but often reach the bottom in society... They know the work is neither mentally stimulating nor is it of any practical use.
    Much of what you've observed is also reported by research, including this article, recently posted to another thread.

    Parents and experts in the field continue to advocate for change. Meanwhile I would tend to agree with you that the public schools may not be the best placement for gifted students, when other learning environment options are available. There are several old threads which discuss experiences with public schools, including:
    - How do you feel about the public school system? (Oct 2013)
    - Public v. Private (Dec 2013)
    - Ped told my dd public school not working! (Jan 2014)
    - Who is better IDed in public school? (March 2014)
    - What questions should I ask a new public school? (March 2014)
    - Success Stories of HG+ in Public Schools? (March 2014)
    Parents may often default to public schools out of financial necessity and/or to obtain special ed services such as remediation and accommodation when their child has been evaluated as being "2e" (twice exceptional: gifted and also having a learning disability).

    Some may say the most important point in the OP's article is:
    Originally Posted by Op's article
    Unsurprisingly we found that culture, values and attitudes matter a great deal.

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    Originally Posted by indigo
    Edward, I'm sorry for your painful experiences. I hope it is somewhat healing to have the support, understanding, and validation of the members of this Davidson Gifted Issues Discussion Forum.

    The Davidsons began the Institute for Talent Development specifically due to recognizing that the gifted population was underserved.

    Originally Posted by Edward
    The brightest students not only fall behind, but often reach the bottom in society... They know the work is neither mentally stimulating nor is it of any practical use.
    Much of what you've observed is also reported by research, including this article, recently posted to another thread.

    Parents and experts in the field continue to advocate for change. Meanwhile I would tend to agree with you that the public schools may not be the best placement for gifted students, when other learning environment options are available. There are several old threads which discuss experiences with public schools, including:
    - How do you feel about the public school system? (Oct 2013)
    - Public v. Private (Dec 2013)
    - Ped told my dd public school not working! (Jan 2014)
    - Who is better IDed in public school? (March 2014)
    - What questions should I ask a new public school? (March 2014)
    - Success Stories of HG+ in Public Schools? (March 2014)
    Parents may often default to public schools out of financial necessity and/or to obtain special ed services such as remediation and accommodation when their child has been evaluated as being "2e" (twice exceptional: gifted and also having a learning disability).

    Some may say the most important point in the OP's article is:
    Originally Posted by Op's article
    Unsurprisingly we found that culture, values and attitudes matter a great deal.

    Thank you for your support smile Ditto for the links. It matters far more then I can type here.

    I applaud what you are doing as well as the Davidson Institute. IMO what those links make note of is not rare, but frequent. As mentioned I regret to say not everyone can afford private education nor attorney services to construct a relatively appropriate educational environment through the public school system. Therefore, recognition is key imo. Even then, not all private schools are equal.

    And I agree 100%. Attitudes, Culture and values do indeed go furthest above all else.

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