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    Originally Posted by blackcat
    I also wonder how many Asian students take Alegebra II courses, trigonometry, etc. or if a good percentage of them (the ones under a certain IQ) get tracked into manual labor type courses. If it is just the more intelligent kids taking math, then of course it would make sense to tell them they need to work harder and also that they get "results" from those students.

    Here is data from New York City:

    http://edfundersresearch.albatrossdemos.com/sites/edfundersresearch.com/files/EdFunders%20Paper%20%232.pdf
    THE EXPERIENCES OF ONE NEW YORK CITY HIGH SCHOOL COHORT:
    OPPORTUNITIES, SUCCESSES, AND CHALLENGES
    Douglas Ready, Thomas Hatch, Miya Warner & Elizabeth Chu
    Teachers College, Columbia University
    October 8th, 2013
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    Figure 4 displays (unadjusted) average progress through the math pipeline for students differentiated by their background characteristics. We find substantial racial/ethnic disparities in math coursetaking. The average Asian student completed the first semester of pre-calculus and the average white student progressed through both semesters of algebra II/trigonometry. By contrast, the average black or Hispanic student only completed the second semester of geometry.

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    I was a "untalented" math student required to take a lot of math because of my degree. Honestly, there are two sides- I gave up very easily and didn't put the kind of effort that *I* needed to be successful (which seemed like too much at the time).
    On the other hand, I would sit in a stats or calculus class and could tell that a few of the students just "got it." I found it highly discouraging to know I would need to put in three times the amount of work as the "getting it" students.

    I think it is cultural- I think in the US, students are not trained for the "grit" that it takes to get through difficult subjects. We admire talent, not extreme effort- but talent can be a double edged sword if students aren't challenged during their formative years. Challenge (the real kind that involves struggle) builds character.

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    I was thinking more about Asian students who are actually in Asia, but that is very interesting.

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