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    #165696 - 08/27/13 09:05 PM Re: iPads in school: I don't get it. [Re: RobotMom]
    SiaSL Offline
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    Registered: 09/11/10
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    Originally Posted By: Kerry
    As a teacher I refused to get IPADS in my classroom for a number of reasons, many noted in other people's comments above. Along with one that I wish I could quote, but I have forgotten the study author. I read a study a few years ago talking about how schools are failing kids and why the latest increase in technology in classrooms, especially elementary classrooms is actually hurting our schools more than it is helping. Basically it was saying that when we use an electronic devise for writing, or doing math, or even reading our brains are less actively involved in the process. When we write, for example, our brain has to be actively involved in the process because it has to not only hold the pen it also has to move it in the correct direction over and over again while another part of the brain is remembering what to write. Granted, this takes a very short amount of time, however, it is still there none the less. However, when we are simply typing keys on a computer that section of the brain that controls the hand/arm muscles is not activated and therefore a large part of the connections that the brain makes about information are no longer being made. This same effect was there when students were reading books on an electronic devise rather than holding a book in their hands.


    There is this: http://www.futurity.org/for-kids-pens-mightier-than-keyboard/ probably referring to this: http://www.cbc.ca/news/pdf/transcription-mode-study-LDQ.pdf that seems to match what you say, but the methodology seems (as reported) doesn't seem (? skimmed on my phone) to address the issue of handwriting vs. keyboarding instruction in their subject population, which seems like a big hole in methodology.

    Most of the pro writers I know don't write long-hand, not even the ones who grew up before typing was commonly taught in school. So I am a bit skeptical about the conclusions...

    Even though as somebody works in tech I usually roll my eyes at the hype around tech and education. If you can't reach kids without an iPad you won't get much farther with one.

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    #165699 - 08/28/13 03:02 AM Re: iPads in school: I don't get it. [Re: polarbear]
    Irena Offline
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    Registered: 05/26/12
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    Originally Posted By: polarbear
    Originally Posted By: Irena
    I keep being told it will enable my son not have to write as much. Not sure how true that is but that is what I am told... So we are excited about that!


    Irena, it's really *really* been the best AT ever for my ds. Truly. He likes it sooo much better than using a laptop.

    polarbear


    I am so excited to hear this!

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    #165700 - 08/28/13 03:04 AM Re: iPads in school: I don't get it. [Re: DeeDee]
    Irena Offline
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    Originally Posted By: DeeDee
    Originally Posted By: Kerry
    Basically it was saying that when we use an electronic devise for writing, or doing math, or even reading our brains are less actively involved in the process.


    I basically agree with this, or did until I had a child for whom handwriting is painful and difficult. Now, we're looking at typing as a very real solution to a serious problem. Having teachers who are open to tech in the classroom is very helpful for us.


    Yup!

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    #165701 - 08/28/13 03:06 AM Re: iPads in school: I don't get it. [Re: DeHe]
    Irena Offline
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    Originally Posted By: DeHe
    My DS 7 used the class iPad and a keyboard in 1st to learn typing and then to help alleviate his output problems with writing. It's been wonderful, for all those parents needing accommodations for their dysgraphic kids, I would say the iPad has been an effective one. He still writes and practices writing but when he has to write something longer he doesn't get held up by it being painful or tiring.


    Yay, I am so happy to hear this stuff!


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    #165702 - 08/28/13 03:13 AM Re: iPads in school: I don't get it. [Re: Val]
    Irena Offline
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    Oh and just as an aside - people (writers) have been getting out of writing via technology for years and years and years ... When I started practicing as a lawyer obviously we wrote our briefs ect on the computer. The old guys were dictating into dictation machines... no one was *writing* LOL. IN fact they weren't even writing their notes or calendar just about all of them dictated everything including notes and calendar entries that their secretary then took care of "writing" (typing obviously). When I worked for a writer on his book he dictated his entire book that was typed by a secretary. All this 'fear' surrounding technology is silly... but my husband (computer engineer) says people have been afraid of technology forever so get used to it.

    As a mother of a very bright boy with physical and neurological limitations to his ability to physically write it saddens me and downright frightens me, to hear a teacher say she absolutely refuses to consider ipads for the classroom frown


    Edited by Irena (08/28/13 03:21 AM)

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    #165703 - 08/28/13 03:20 AM Re: iPads in school: I don't get it. [Re: RobotMom]
    Irena Offline
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    Registered: 05/26/12
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    Originally Posted By: Kerry
    Basically it was saying that when we use an electronic devise for writing, or doing math, or even reading our brains are less actively involved in the process. When we write, for example, our brain has to be actively involved in the process because it has to not only hold the pen it also has to move it in the correct direction over and over again while another part of the brain is remembering what to write. Granted, this takes a very short amount of time, however, it is still there none the less. However, when we are simply typing keys on a computer that section of the brain that controls the hand/arm muscles is not activated and therefore a large part of the connections that the brain makes about information are no longer being made. This same effect was there when students were reading books on an electronic devise rather than holding a book in their hands.


    I can't tell you how sad statements like this coming from an educator makes me. As a mother of a child who has problems with writing but who LOVES to write stories and poetry, I can tell you first hand this is bull-[SPAM]. He gives up and checks out (and becomes sad and despondent) when he has to physically write with his hands but he is actively engaged and learning like crazy when he can use a computer. If he had teachers/parents with this sort of mindset his creativity and drive would have been lost completely.

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    #165713 - 08/28/13 05:05 AM Re: iPads in school: I don't get it. [Re: master of none]
    Irena Offline
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    Registered: 05/26/12
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    Originally Posted By: master of none
    I'm willing to bet that the technology you grew up with is the technology you like


    Exactly. I recently heard a piece on the telephone on NPR... And how it was a technology that was considered evil by many in the beginning and many refused to use it... Now is it even a thought? Does anyone walk around saying "I just refuse to have a telephone! It's ruining our kids/society/etc" ?

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    #165717 - 08/28/13 06:02 AM Re: iPads in school: I don't get it. [Re: Val]
    ultramarina Offline
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    Registered: 08/24/10
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    Quote:
    However, when we are simply typing keys on a computer that section of the brain that controls the hand/arm muscles is not activated and therefore a large part of the connections that the brain makes about information are no longer being made.


    So are you suggesting we all go back to longhand? I don't get it. I'd be curious to see the studies on this.

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    #165718 - 08/28/13 06:02 AM Re: iPads in school: I don't get it. [Re: Val]
    ultramarina Offline
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    Registered: 08/24/10
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    Quote:
    Does anyone walk around saying "I just refuse to have a telephone! It's ruining our kids/society/etc" ?


    To be contrary, I refuse to have a smartphone. wink

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    #165722 - 08/28/13 06:34 AM Re: iPads in school: I don't get it. [Re: Val]
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    Registered: 04/27/13
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    I agree that it is about monetization, but I believe it goes well beyond that, to control. There is much observation and tracking possible when putting technology into student's hands... as compared to good old fashioned book learning.

    For example, schools can use technology to monitor students:
    - software can track the number of minutes spent on each page and assignment, as well as the number of times each page/assignment was visited.
    - IP address and keystrokes/clicks can be recorded.
    - Websites visited can be tracked.
    - Government schools have the ability to remotely activate video cam and microphone... schools may turn on the device camera, microphone, etc, then watch/listen in your home.


    Parents may wish to inquire as to a school's written policies and privacy statements, or data collection tracking usage of the ipad, computer, or specific educational software. Parents may also wish to disable microphone, and/or use a cam patch to avoid unauthorized video/recording of their child and/or conversations within the presence of the ipad/computer.

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