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    #171061 - 10/12/13 08:51 AM Re: "Subject acceleration is against district policy." [Re: mommajay]
    mommajay Offline
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    Registered: 01/23/09
    Posts: 16
    Right. Well, they have all the tests in her files, so I can find out. But they're not arguing with the results-- they're agreeing that she's way, way ahead, but saying that enrichment or a full skip is the only thing they can do, not subject acceleration.

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    #171062 - 10/12/13 08:53 AM Re: "Subject acceleration is against district policy." [Re: HappilyMom]
    mommajay Offline
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    Registered: 01/23/09
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    Originally Posted By: HappilyMom
    I've read along here and your other thread, and I'm confused. School wants to do grade-level acceleration and you only want subject-level acceleration but you are unhappy with the amount of subject-level acceleration they offer because it's not enough?


    No, it's that they won't subject accelerate at all. Only a full skip or enrichment in the classroom. I'm asking for them to bump her out to a 2nd or 3rd grade class for reading and math.

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    #171063 - 10/12/13 09:02 AM Re: "Subject acceleration is against district policy." [Re: mommajay]
    Kai Offline
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    Registered: 05/17/09
    Posts: 607
    Originally Posted By: mommajay
    But they're not arguing with the results-- they're agreeing that she's way, way ahead, but saying that enrichment or a full skip is the only thing they can do, not subject acceleration.


    I must have missed this. Have they said why? Perhaps the logistical issues surrounding subject acceleration in an elementary setting are difficult to overcome?

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    #171066 - 10/12/13 09:34 AM Re: "Subject acceleration is against district policy." [Re: mommajay]
    ultramarina Offline
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    Registered: 08/24/10
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    I'm wondering if the OP has just encountered a dictrict that doesn't want to deal with individual differentiation and would rather suggest skipping, just as some say "You really should homeschool this child"? It would be unusual, but one could see it being possible. Maybe they just see it as easier.

    OP, so you have achievement test results but no IQ results? It would help us here on the board to have IQ numbers. You used the term profoundly gifted, which has a pretty specific definition and is probably why most posters agreed that major accommodations were needed. I am not at all trying to say that your child is not PG, but both my kids were reading at the 5th grade level in K (not sure about math) and neither is PG. (Your job is going to be easier if she is not PG...) If she is PG, you could consider going to DYS and asking for help, which may well be really useful.

    BTW, I apologize that you are getting some unpleasant replies. Not typical of the board.

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    #171067 - 10/12/13 09:51 AM Re: "Subject acceleration is against district policy." [Re: mommajay]
    KJP Offline
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    I would go for the full skip. It is a decision that the school is unlikely to undo on their own. If you got single subject acceleration this year, you might be turned down next year because of a new policy or administrator. I think that happened recently to someone here.

    It sounds like she is a cheery kid. I bet she'll be fine with it. If she maintains her accelerated pace it could be the first of several skips which is fine.


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    #171071 - 10/12/13 10:13 AM Re: "Subject acceleration is against district policy." [Re: Kai]
    Sweetie Offline
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    Registered: 06/05/11
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    Originally Posted By: Kai
    Originally Posted By: mommajay
    But they're not arguing with the results-- they're agreeing that she's way, way ahead, but saying that enrichment or a full skip is the only thing they can do, not subject acceleration.


    I must have missed this. Have they said why? Perhaps the logistical issues surrounding subject acceleration in an elementary setting are difficult to overcome?


    This is just what happened in my son's case this year. Getting the math acceleration he needed was logistically impossible. When you have 1000 kids who all have to go to Special Areas (PE Music, Art) and all have to get in and out of the cafeteria for lunch, all have to have an uninterrupted (by state law) 90 minutes language arts block and then add in the logistics of the fact that my son is in a program that is within the bigger school where half the day is in Spanish so the Dual Language classes have a completely different schedule. So there was no 4th grade class having math when he was having math or could have math when he had math or they couldn't move 3rd grade dual language math. It is just too complicated.

    We then discussed and eliminated several online options that were approved providers for the district (he would stay in the 3rd grade class and do his math over on the computer when his class had math). They were fine providers...they just weren't quite right for him. Doesn't mean that online math acceleration might not work for tons of others.

    So then the district gifted coordinator put the whole grade skip back on the table. For my son, I think it is going fine. He did know several children in his new class because last year he was in aftercare (and he is kind of a social butterfly who attracts people like a magnet). Also his best friend and my son attend and afterschool activity once a week together and used to do a Saturday activity together (we might start that up again). So he is still maintaining that relationship.

    I haven't heard ANYTHING saying that this isn't going well. I am at the school daily to volunteer. He did get a D on an essay but even that doesn't mean that it isn't going well because I knew that was going to be the one area where he was going to have to work extra hard. Oh and Spanish too just because he was losing a year of vocabulary and comprehension.

    It is much easier to subject accelerate in middle and high school because they ring the bells and change classes all at the same time and also there are additional online providers at the middle and high school level that are better fits (so that is an additional option). And in high school classes are already multi-grades (Spanish I can have any grade level of students) so it isn't so odd.


    Edited by Sweetie (10/12/13 10:20 AM)
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    #171073 - 10/12/13 10:23 AM Re: "Subject acceleration is against district policy." [Re: ultramarina]
    indigo Offline
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    Registered: 04/27/13
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    Originally Posted By: ultramarina
    If she is PG, you could consider going to DYS and asking for help, which may well be really useful.

    Yes, further information at this link- http://www.davidsongifted.org/youngscholars/

    Note that a listed form of assistance to DYS parents, free guidebooks are made available to the general public. This includes the advocacy guidebook which another parent has mentioned.

    Whether in the DYS program or not, free access to valuable research and information is available to all on the Davidson Database (http://www.davidsongifted.org/db/)

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    #171076 - 10/12/13 10:38 AM Re: "Subject acceleration is against district policy." [Re: Sweetie]
    KADmom Offline
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    Registered: 03/11/13
    Posts: 690
    Originally Posted By: Sweetie
    Originally Posted By: Kai
    Originally Posted By: mommajay
    But they're not arguing with the results-- they're agreeing that she's way, way ahead, but saying that enrichment or a full skip is the only thing they can do, not subject acceleration.


    I must have missed this. Have they said why? Perhaps the logistical issues surrounding subject acceleration in an elementary setting are difficult to overcome?


    This is just what happened in my son's case this year. Getting the math acceleration he needed was logistically impossible. When you have 1000 kids who all have to go to Special Areas (PE Music, Art) and all have to get in and out of the cafeteria for lunch, all have to have an uninterrupted (by state law) 90 minutes language arts block and then add in the logistics of the fact that my son is in a program that is within the bigger school where half the day is in Spanish so the Dual Language classes have a completely different schedule. So there was no 4th grade class having math when he was having math or could have math when he had math or they couldn't move 3rd grade dual language math. It is just too complicated.

    We then discussed and eliminated several online options that were approved providers for the district (he would stay in the 3rd grade class and do his math over on the computer when his class had math). They were fine providers...they just weren't quite right for him. Doesn't mean that online math acceleration might not work for tons of others.

    So then the district gifted coordinator put the whole grade skip back on the table. For my son, I think it is going fine. He did know several children in his new class because last year he was in aftercare (and he is kind of a social butterfly who attracts people like a magnet). Also his best friend and my son attend and afterschool activity once a week together and used to do a Saturday activity together (we might start that up again). So he is still maintaining that relationship.

    I haven't heard ANYTHING saying that this isn't going well. I am at the school daily to volunteer. He did get a D on an essay but even that doesn't mean that it isn't going well because I knew that was going to be the one area where he was going to have to work extra hard. Oh and Spanish too just because he was losing a year of vocabulary and comprehension.

    It is much easier to subject accelerate in middle and high school because they ring the bells and change classes all at the same time and also there are additional online providers at the middle and high school level that are better fits (so that is an additional option). And in high school classes are already multi-grades (Spanish I can have any grade level of students) so it isn't so odd.


    Sweetie, we had a similar experience.

    Because we wanted to subject accelerate in math and language arts (the latter his area of strength) it was strongly suggested we simply grade skip our ds as well. I think the scheduling difficulties were a consideration...


    Edited by KADmom (10/12/13 12:04 PM)

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    #171077 - 10/12/13 11:22 AM Re: "Subject acceleration is against district policy." [Re: mommajay]
    kcab Offline
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    Registered: 10/02/07
    Posts: 1603
    Loc: Sparta, apparently
    For those who missed it, the OP would prefer not to skip a whole grade just yet. I have to agree that there ought to be other options available, but what those options are is going to vary by school.

    Mommajay, try not to think of the call to the assistant superintendent as escalation, but just a request for information. There are some really good things going for your DD right now - 1) the school recognizes that there is an issue (they've brought up a grade skip, they're doing the WJ-III) and 2) they seem to want to help. When you meet with the principal, or whomever, it may help to hold onto the idea that they have positive intent and are trying to be helpful. Try to think of discussions as working together to find a solution. Master of none has some good advice on this in other threads on the site, she seems to be a ninja at this.

    Also, the testing the school did last year sounds like they were looking for instructional level. When we were figuring out what to do with one of my kiddos, they had achievement testing (such as the WJ-III ACH, though it was a different one) but then the school did end-of-the-year tests afterwards to try to sort out where to place him. Your school may end up doing a whole bunch of tests to figure out what to do - but eventually you'll all get through it.
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    #171179 - 10/13/13 11:40 PM Re: "Subject acceleration is against district policy." [Re: mommajay]
    Mark D. Offline
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    Registered: 12/31/69
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    Hello everyone - please be respectful on this thread or I will be forced to close it. Please see the forum rules as a reminder: http://giftedissues.davidsongifted.org/BB/ubbthreads.php/ubb/boardrules/v/1.html.

    Best,
    Mark

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