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#167211  09/11/13 07:20 AM
Re: Math Homework
[Re: ConnectingDots]

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Registered: 07/19/11
Posts: 312

I think Polarbear already gave some wonderful advice. I'll add my own perspective and experience:
Mathematics is its own language. Some children are native speakers of that language, and some are learning it as a second language. When you know math as a second language, you translate every math problem into your native language and solve it there. When you know math as a native language, you solve math problems without the need to translate your thought process into your spoken/written language.
When you ask a student to explain their answers in a language other than math, you are asking them to approach math the way MSL (Math as a Second Language) students approach it. Performing this unnecessary translation is an unnatural hindrance to mathy students, who often resist. It's analogous to asking a child to explain how they walk or catch a ball, and has about as much bearing on the actual performance of the task.
Personally, when I was in elementary and middle school, explanations weren't considered as important as they are today. It wasn't until I was in algebra that my teacher really wanted me to focus on showing my work and explaining my thought process. She wanted to make the point that my intuition wouldn't hold up to the more complicated problems, and we made a deal: I would try to solve a problem of her choice in my head in under a minute. If I solved it, I wouldn't have to show my work to get full credit, if I failed to solve it, an explanation would be required. In under a minute, my problems were gone. Perhaps there is some demonstration of rare mathematical insight that your child could perform for his teacher that would convince him/her that understanding a problem and being able to explain it in English to other people is not the same thing.
I've grown up to be an engineer, and when I think about math, I can't say I hear a lot of english buzzing around my head. I tend to think in pictures, but not where arithmetic is concerned. That's just recall.
Edited by DAD22 (09/11/13 07:22 AM)

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#167214  09/11/13 07:36 AM
Re: Math Homework
[Re: ConnectingDots]

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Registered: 02/05/11
Posts: 5181

I think that is a spectacular explanation, DAD22. I had not one bit of trouble "showing work" in calculus and beyond but prior to trigonometry or solving simultaneous equations in high school mathematics, I was always sort of flummoxed by what was intended by that statement. I preferred as a teacher of college chemistry, I mean to suggest that students should "demonstrate THEIR process" for an outside observer/reader so that the observer could replicate that problemsolving strategy. That's basically the basis of scientific (and mathematical) communication at those higher levels anyway. It just happens that it's also convenient for catching errors in a pedagogical framework, too.
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#167217  09/11/13 07:56 AM
Re: Math Homework
[Re: ConnectingDots]

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Registered: 04/04/12
Posts: 267
Loc: California

A quick idea on why having to show your work is an important skill; not sure how accurate it is, so I'd love feedback. If you want to be a computer programmer, don't you have to know how to translate a "word problem" into mathematical terms? Even if you intuitively know that Susie will have 7 apples after her friend gives her 4 more, computers are dumb devices that don't know this stuff. It seems to be that being able to show your work would be necessary for programming.
I realize not every kid is going to grow up to be a programmer, but at the elementary level, who can say?

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#167219  09/11/13 08:11 AM
Re: Math Homework
[Re: ConnectingDots]

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Registered: 05/23/13
Posts: 2154

The book "Upside Down Brilliance: The Visual Spatial Learner" gives interesting insights into kids who can solve complicated math problems but can't explain their work or show their steps. My 6 year old appears to be that way, although has an obvious fantasic visual memory and has about a 2530 point gap between his verbal and performance IQs (performance being very high). I gave him some double/triple digit addition/subtraction problems with regrouping (he had never seen that before) and he figured out the answers very quickly, but his explanation as to how he solved them did not make any sense and was not the way I was trying to show him (i.e. you borrow a ten). I had to reteach him but he still does not want to show his work regrouping, he just does everything in his head. His teacher is going to love that.
In terms of handwriting, my DS struggles a lot and part of the problem in math and showing work is that it just takes too much effort to write. His writing looks age appropriate for the most part, but he scores extremely low on tests of fine motor coordination, meaning he has to put a lot of thought/effort into writing (much more than other kids). DS was diagnosed with developmental coordination disorder. If you continue to have concerns, perhaps get an occupational therapy assessment and ask specifically that they test both for visualmotor integration and coordination. My DS is above average for visualmotor integration (so that has masked some of his problems) but on tests of just motor coordination (like the grooved pegboard) he is very poor.

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#167228  09/11/13 09:41 AM
Re: Math Homework
[Re: DAD22]

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Registered: 04/22/09
Posts: 1032

When you ask a student to explain their answers in a language other than math, you are asking them to approach math the way MSL (Math as a Second Language) students approach it. Performing this unnecessary translation is an unnatural hindrance to mathy students, who often resist. It's analogous to asking a child to explain how they walk or catch a ball, and has about as much bearing on the actual performance of the task.
Yes! This is beautiful! I don't even know how to tell my kids how to "show your work" on something like subtraction. How did I get the answer to 7  4 = 3? Well, because 7  4 = 3. As DS used to write, "because it is the answer". And no amount of drawing apples or coloring circles is going to make it any easier. It's just going to annoy the pig. DS is currently up to about 50% on showing his work in 8th grade math, from the looks of last night's homework. He had approximately every other step written down  and it was mostly legible, which is something.

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#167274  09/11/13 03:41 PM
Re: Math Homework
[Re: erich]

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Registered: 12/11/12
Posts: 2035

it is a skill you will need later but why learn it before you need to.

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#167293  09/11/13 05:16 PM
Re: Math Homework
[Re: ConnectingDots]

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Registered: 04/07/11
Posts: 1694
Loc: Australia

Oh but Val that is EXACTLY what they want...
Dad22, beautiful explanation!

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#167391  09/12/13 09:50 AM
Re: Math Homework
[Re: ConnectingDots]

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Registered: 05/23/13
Posts: 2154

In our school, 74=3 would be shown as a "math mountain" with little circles drawn on both sides. All the teachers are very serious that the kids be able to show all their work, even for the simplest addition/subtraction problems. The curriculum is "Math Expressions" which I hear is a good math curriculum, but not for those kids who don't like showing work.

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