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    #169097 - 09/25/13 01:52 PM Re: iPads in school: I don't get it. [Re: Val]
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    What really kind of drives me bonkers about this is that wireless devices are prone to extensive abuse-- but there are e-readers out there that are rugged and NOT wireless.

    I know because we have a pair of them. They have to be loaded with content, sure. But that also prevents them being used for other purposes like websurfing and social media.

    They are compatible with EPUB formatting, including everything on Project Gutenberg, and not a little from public libraries with digital collections.

    I get that there is now research suggesting that hey, e-readers are not identical to paper-based reading, and that for some kids that is a good thing (on the other hand, if we're willing to believe that conclusion, then kids on the other end of that particular spectrum are probably HARMED by a paperless model, right?).

    I'm just not yet ready to believe that wireless, web-capable mobile devices are a good substitute for the other things that used to be going on in classrooms.

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    #169104 - 09/25/13 02:43 PM Re: iPads in school: I don't get it. [Re: HowlerKarma]
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    Originally Posted By: HowlerKarma
    What really kind of drives me bonkers about this is that wireless devices are prone to extensive abuse-- but there are e-readers out there that are rugged and NOT wireless.


    It's not so much that it's a wireless device (you can do just as much damage wired), as it is the fact that it's a fully-functional tablet PC running an operating system designed for phones. It was intended to be a personal device, meaning it has one user, the owner. The idea of provisioning permissions never entered the design.

    Nobody at Cupertino will tell you it's a bad idea to hand kids raised in the digital age a device that they can reconfigure or factory reset, because there's too much money in it for them to pretend it's the right tool for the job.

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    #169113 - 09/25/13 03:39 PM Re: iPads in school: I don't get it. [Re: Val]
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    Hmm.. yeah, well, I'm also not a fan of proprietary formatting that drives cashflow.
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    #169160 - 09/26/13 06:59 AM Re: iPads in school: I don't get it. [Re: Val]
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    More fun on that story... apparently LAUSD rushed to appropriate and spend that $1B without addressing basic questions like, "Who is responsible?" Link

    This bit cracked me up, because it shouldn't be hard to find a Spanish-language translator somewhere in LAUSD:

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    At least three different parent information forms have been circulated, according to Ratliff's office. And the Spanish form was a computer-generated translation that was substantially incomprehensible

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    #169178 - 09/26/13 08:48 AM Re: iPads in school: I don't get it. [Re: Dude]
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    Oh dear. Edumacators strike again.

    I like this bit:

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    At least one form required a signature acknowledging that a parent is financially responsible if a student breaks or loses the device. The idea was that students would not receive an iPad until the signed form was returned.

    ...


    And what if low-income families, who make up most of the school system, can't afford to take responsibility for a device that is supposed to replace student textbooks?


    Books are cheaper. And no one wants to steal a fourth grade math book. Not even another fourth grader.

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    #169190 - 09/26/13 09:32 AM Re: iPads in school: I don't get it. [Re: Val]
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    Having to print from your iPad is a argument against having iPads. The teacher should just print stuff out and give it to the kids.

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    #169194 - 09/26/13 09:40 AM Re: iPads in school: I don't get it. [Re: Val]
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    I just read something that our district has on its website and we seem to be moving in a direction where they want every student to be using a laptop, ipad or tablet at school. Supposedly they tested it with our 7th graders this past spring. So my guess would be they want the kid to bring whatever is available at home and use that so the school does not have to be paying big $ for ipads or other technology nor be responsible for replacements and it will be all the kids' responsibility. Which, honestly, I'm fine with. I'd rather the kids take something they prefer that is not as expensive than the school iPads.

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    #169286 - 09/26/13 07:03 PM Re: iPads in school: I don't get it. [Re: Mk13]
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    Originally Posted By: Mk13
    I just read something that our district has on its website and we seem to be moving in a direction where they want every student to be using a laptop, ipad or tablet at school. Supposedly they tested it with our 7th graders this past spring. So my guess would be they want the kid to bring whatever is available at home and use that so the school does not have to be paying big $ for ipads or other technology nor be responsible for replacements and it will be all the kids' responsibility. Which, honestly, I'm fine with. I'd rather the kids take something they prefer that is not as expensive than the school iPads.


    Our middle school doesn't have lockers and you have to use a mesh or clear vinyl back pack (talk about no support in either of those two options). Um what if you need to lock up your devise? The PE locker rooms have lockers but 99% don't use locks because the combinations are too hard to manage and they can't get help from the coaches with the locks and what is the point if you tell a friend the combination to help you with it.
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    #170426 - 10/06/13 08:47 PM Re: iPads in school: I don't get it. [Re: Val]
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    Atlantic Feature: "Students are Hacking their School-Issued iPads-- Good for Them"

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    Even though much of their unfettered iPad usage in these recently publicized “hacking” cases involved, as The LA Times put it “non-schoolwork” and as NPR dismissed it “entertainment,” it’s important to recognize how students do learn with technology. It isn’t simply a matter of a digital version of analog lessons and readings—something implicitly presumed by the Los Angeles’s school system's plan to “limit the tablets, when taken home, to curricular materials from the Pearson corporation, which are already installed."


    Interesting indeed. So-- Apple exclusive licensing, paired with Pearson exclusive content on those devices. Wonder how much THAT is costing...



    And in reading the comments to the article above (which makes some interesting observations, including the one I posted above), I also tumbled into this blog post:

    http://alpharetta.patch.com/groups/elizabeth-hoopers-blog/p/common-core-a-gift-to-the-tech-industry
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    #170437 - 10/06/13 10:50 PM Re: iPads in school: I don't get it. [Re: Val]
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    I understand all the reasons against it but I got to say, I am a walking catalogue of learning difficulties (ADHD, CAPD, hypoglycemia, DCD, dyslexia, ESL, etc) and I wouldn't want to be without my iPad.

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