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    Originally Posted by cdfox
    Colleges and universities (or primary/secondary ed leaders) do not want to recognize the inherent problems with the educational system and formal learning as it stands today. It still rests with motivation. You have to be motivated to sit, listen, and pay attention to a lecture whether it is on a computer or not. You have to see that there is inherent meaning in the lecture. Those are BIG problems for most college students today. They see lectures as being pointless so why bother to sit through them and waste your energy.

    Yes, this. It's especially problematic when everyone is pushed to go to college and college becomes about certification rather than learning.

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    Totally agree. Selingo's book College (Un)Bound makes a very strong case of this and strongly advocates that we have to move to other forms of certification or other ways for students to demonstrate learning. He makes the argument that colleges need to unbundle their services/curriculums more.

    Well, true and fair enough, but will employers accept it? That's harder to say because many employers seem stuck on that piece of paper and see it as a way to weed out the pack of applicants today.

    There is some movement back to apprenticeship training in some fields. No one wants to pay for health benefits or a pension, it seems. If an employer can hire someone without doing so, they will. In this respect, some employers are more willing to hire the kid without a degree if they can train them easily. Alternatively, if an employer can grab the student interns who will work for free or credit, they will.

    I'd love to hear how many companies are using a revolving door of student interns to function and get around labor laws. That's a nice dirty secret in many college towns or big cities like NYC. Some places are flooded with interns.

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    Originally Posted by cdfox
    Selingo's book College (Un)Bound....

    Well, true and fair enough, but will employers accept it? That's harder to say because many employers seem stuck on that piece of paper and see it as a way to weed out the pack of applicants today.

    Am going to buy that book for my Nook tonight.

    A local employer (very large biotech company) started hiring people with AS degrees in Biotechnology about ten years ago, especially for highly skilled jobs with a lot of repetition in them. They noticed that people with four-year degrees were more likely to get bored and bail out, whereas the people with the relatively specific job training offered in biotech programs knew what they were getting into, had made a deliberate decision to take that route, and were more likely to hang around.

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