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    #13417 - 04/09/08 11:51 AM Re: What IS the goal?? [Re: Kriston]
    Dazed&Confuzed Offline
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    Registered: 04/05/08
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    Kriston - I didn't take it personally. I loved reading the Hot-housing thread b/c it made me self-refective...always a good thing to question oneself and one's motives.

    Yes, I agree with you about the K'nex. He will definitely have to get the work done before we leave though or at least half of it. He has soccer practice on Thursday evenings. We've never been out 2 nights/week so he'll have to learn to manage his time better if he's going to do these things.

    I have an almost 5yr old who did all of RightStart level A in about 5months. He loved it! WOuld dance up and down when I said yes to doing math. He's now almost half way through RightStart Level B which is 1st/2nd grade. I ask myself why do it? But he's ready, he enjoys it. My 7.5yr old started to hate math in K b/c he wasn't learning anything and that that was all there was to math. He got into his head that math was boring, he wasn't good at it (B/c he couldn't go further figuring things out on his own) so I'm taking a different stance w/ my 2nd son. Of course, this will create other problems and likely get me labeled as a hot-housing parent w/ the school.

    Also, we also use Everyday Math and I just don't feel comfortable leaving all math instruction to the school.


    Edited by Dazed&Confuzed (04/09/08 03:12 PM)

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    #13427 - 04/09/08 03:11 PM Re: What IS the goal?? [Re: newtothis]
    alee31 Offline
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    Registered: 11/02/07
    Posts: 37
    Loc: Texas
    Originally Posted By: newtothis
    I am loving all of these stories! What a great group this continues to be!

    It's bad that so many are struggling with the same questions (because I know how incredibly stressful they are to consider!) but it's so refreshing to know we aren't alone - and it's nice not to feel totally alone in the journey!


    Can I just say AMEN?!! I am so grateful to this group - knowing there are others with the same kind of child as mine has been a huge, huge help to me and my husband.

    Especially after today...

    I was at a Mothers of Preschoolers meeting, sitting around a table of 8 or so women, when the inevitable discussion began. "So, where's DS going to kindergarten next year?" I briefly responded, "Well, after much consideration, we've decided to homeschool." Several people, said, "Cool!" or, "You're braver than I am!" or other polite comments.

    However, one of DS5's teachers at our church was in the group, and began discussing/asking questions about him, specifically. "How did you teach him to read so well?!!" I responded, "We just did what most parents do, but it seemed to happen spontaneously. We really can't explain." That led into more and more questions about his specific abilities.

    While I tried to answer respectfully, I focused on keeping my answers vague and brief. The discussion turned toward how the local schools will not be able to serve his specific needs, and why we ultimately are choosing to homeschool.

    A former elementary teacher sitting next to me, who has supervised education students at the local university, also with a child about the same age as mine :), immediately became hostile and defensive. "Actually, it's the kids in the MIDDLE who are overlooked in the schools. Teachers are REQUIRED to focus on special ed kids and gifted kids. It's the LAW." She then began some rather hostile questioning of what schools we had tried, which schools we had talked to that would not allow acceleration, etc. etc. VERY defensive in general regarding how she was "required" to pay attention to gifted kids or she would be "in trouble legally." Almost as if to say, "How could you dare question that I'm not capable of teaching your child?!"

    YIKES. I was SO uncomfortable...wanting to avoid the conversation all together, but couldn't really do it in the setting I was in.

    What a relief to have this forum, with such beautiful open minds and intolerance for such hostility. smile

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    #13429 - 04/09/08 04:01 PM Re: What IS the goal?? [Re: alee31]
    kcab Offline
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    Ugh. It's so hard to figure out how to negotiate through that kind of discussion. I can just imagine a couple of my friends launching off that way too. So sorry you had to listen to it today.
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    #13431 - 04/09/08 04:52 PM Re: What IS the goal??/Silent E followup [Re: kcab]
    Val Offline
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    Registered: 09/01/07
    Posts: 3296
    Loc: California
    Originally Posted By: kcab
    Ugh. It's so hard to figure out how to negotiate through that kind of discussion. I can just imagine a couple of my friends launching off that way too. So sorry you had to listen to it today.


    Oh boy. I had one of those moments recently and made a spontaneous utterance...you all be the judges.

    Some of you may recall that my son's K teacher told me that "silent E can be damaging at this age" when I asked if she could help him with his reading. This was her explanation for why he has to do B is for Boy with everyone else.

    Our kids will go to a small ability-grouped school next year. I was talking to the *other* K teacher at a conference and she said it was too bad we won't be returning the school next year. Without thinking, I mentioned the other teacher's remark. She rolled her eyes and then I just blurted out that the Silent E stuff was a load of sh*t and it was the straw that broke the camel's back as far as our decision was concerned.

    Ahem.

    Well, it felt good, and she's pretty cool!

    Val


    Edited by Val (04/09/08 04:53 PM)

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    #13432 - 04/09/08 05:00 PM Re: What IS the goal??/Silent E followup [Re: Val]
    Kriston Offline
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    Registered: 09/19/07
    Posts: 6145
    Loc: Midwest
    Originally Posted By: alee31
    A former elementary teacher sitting next to me...immediately became hostile and defensive. "Actually, it's the kids in the MIDDLE who are overlooked in the schools. Teachers are REQUIRED to focus on special ed kids and gifted kids. It's the LAW." She then began some rather hostile questioning of what schools we had tried, which schools we had talked to that would not allow acceleration, etc. etc. VERY defensive in general regarding how she was "required" to pay attention to gifted kids or she would be "in trouble legally." Almost as if to say, "How could you dare question that I'm not capable of teaching your child?!"

    YIKES. I was SO uncomfortable...wanting to avoid the conversation all together, but couldn't really do it in the setting I was in.


    I'm sorry. I had the same experience with a friend who is a former teacher. I have come to the conclusion that she took our family's decision very personally. Happily, most people don't.

    My "friend" went so far as to say that there's nothing wrong with a child being bored for 2 years. My conclusion is that people tend to say dumb things when they don't know what they're talking about. (I'm guilty of it, too, I know!) I can't imagine my friend really believes that 2 years of learning zilch is okay. But even if she really does, it's because she has no concept of GTness. It's just foreign to her.

    How that teacher you spoke with came up with her questionable legal understanding, I don't know, but she clearly just doesn't get it.

    Oh, and one of the big reasons we pulled DS6 out of 1st grade was because his 1st grade teacher didn't just imply, she flat out stated that she felt I lacked confidence in her teaching ability, though I had been playing "team" to the best of my ability. That teacher probably sounded to you like she meant that because she DID mean that! I do sympathize, because it must be challenging to have someone questioning--even gently!--how you're doing your job. But while it's their job, they're our kids! Teachers who don't get that worry me.

    Hang in there. I'm sorry it was a rough day for you! frown
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    #13441 - 04/09/08 07:16 PM Re: What IS the goal??/Silent E followup [Re: Kriston]
    incogneato Offline
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    Registered: 10/25/07
    Posts: 2231
    Loc: up in my head.......
    WHAT!!!!!! She is REQUIRED to pay special attention to the gifted kids or I could sue her !!!!!!!!!!!

    Where do you live, I'm Moving!!!!!!

    Illinois legislature built 5 million dollars into the budget specifically for gifted education. THEN, they just arbitrarily yanked it!

    Illinois stinks!

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    #13449 - 04/09/08 10:01 PM Re: What IS the goal??/Silent E followup [Re: incogneato]
    Kriston Offline
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    Registered: 09/19/07
    Posts: 6145
    Loc: Midwest
    Must be all those smelly slaughterhouses. It's hard to live in the hog butchering capital of the world!

    <evil grin>
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    #13517 - 04/10/08 03:21 PM Re: What IS the goal??/Silent E followup [Re: Dottie]
    alee31 Offline
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    Registered: 11/02/07
    Posts: 37
    Loc: Texas
    Originally Posted By: Dottie
    I personally hate the "middle" argument, because school as-is is designed for them!


    Tell me about it! I thought this was universal knowledge, especially for educators!

    Thanks for your kind words, everyone. I feel hugged. smile

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