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#13211  04/07/08 04:24 AM
Re: Question about algebra and radical acceleration
[Re: Val]

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Registered: 12/13/05
Posts: 7207
Loc: Connecticut

We haven't taken this approach, but that's a good sign, as we messed up big time. Our son actually completed 4th grade Math at one school and started 8th grade math an another school, but because he was doing it 'in school' and on the schools timetable, and at the expense of history class, it was a 3 month experiment that failed.
OTOH, he is now in 7th grade doing the same '8th grade' preAlgebra class and it's going well. I think that if we had do what you propose it would have been 'just fine.'
I wish that there were Math books that cover 58 in a non repetitive way, and maybe there are. Your plan sounds flexible and totally reasonable. What have you got to lose? Nothing really.
BTW  I really like the book "algebra to go"  a suggestion from Hoagiesgifted.org
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#13220  04/07/08 06:51 AM
Re: Question about algebra and radical acceleration
[Re: Val]

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Registered: 05/01/06
Posts: 216
Loc: Texas

I looked through the grades 58 books and discovered that they don't really present a ton of novel material. They mostly seem to do the same stuff with bigger numbers. You are absolutely right about this. When I was in grad school I worked as a longterm substitute for about a semester teaching 7th & 8th grade math. Each day I taught the same thing in my 7th grade classes as I did in my 8th grade classes with usually only an order magnitude difference in the numbers. I definitely don't recommend 6th8th grade math for gifted students. There was a good discussion on this topic in the "EG/PG and not accelerated?" thread.

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#13221  04/07/08 06:58 AM
Re: Question about algebra and radical acceleration
[Re: Grinity]

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Registered: 09/19/07
Posts: 6145
Loc: Midwest

Val,
It makes good sense to me.
We're seeing the same problem of repetition even earlier and even with Singapore Math, which is supposed to be one of the good ones for being linear rather than a spiral curriculum. I've actually been considering moving on to prealgebra or some more complex geometry with my DS6 while I wait for him to learn his times tables. That seems so bassackwards that I've been dithering over it for some time now. But for him, it seems to make sense.
If you have the grades 58 books, you can always use them to supplement any holes that pop up as you're doing the algebra. As long as he doesn't get so confused that you have to unteach him what he's learned wrong, I don't see the harm that could come. It seems to me that in the worst case, where it is too hard or leaves him with too many holes, you go back a grade or two. <shrug> No harm done.
K
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#13222  04/07/08 07:00 AM
Re: Question about algebra and radical acceleratio
[Re: Texas Summer]

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Registered: 10/02/07
Posts: 1603
Loc: Sparta, apparently

I think the only thing taught in 5th7th math besides long division is manipulation of fractions. At least, that's all I can see, or recall. I remember thinking that 7th grade math was for 1) learning tricks with numbers, and 2) hearing silly puns. DD10 is accelerated 1 year in math and there is not much new, and her friend who is +2 in math thinks she's doing the same stuff as the kids in the regular classroom.
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#13231  04/07/08 10:20 AM
Re: Question about algebra and radical acceleration
[Re: Kriston]

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Registered: 09/01/07
Posts: 3296
Loc: California

Val,
It makes good sense to me.
We're seeing the same problem of repetition even earlier and even with Singapore Math, which is supposed to be one of the good ones for being linear rather than a spiral curriculum. I've actually been considering moving on to prealgebra or some more complex geometry with my DS6 while I wait for him to learn his times tables. That seems so bassackwards that I've been dithering over it for some time now. But for him, it seems to make sense.
If you have the grades 58 books, you can always use them to supplement any holes that pop up as you're doing the algebra. As long as he doesn't get so confused that you have to unteach him what he's learned wrong, I don't see the harm that could come. It seems to me that in the worst case, where it is too hard or leaves him with too many holes, you go back a grade or two. <shrug> No harm done.
K HI Kriston, I'm definitely going to mix in some of the 58 stuff with the algebra. I think it will fill holes nicely and provide variety too. You mentioned that your son still needs to learn his times tables. I moved mine forward when he had about half of them memorized, figuring he would learn them by doing division. It's worked out pretty well and he knows most of them now. I reckon they're the kind of thing everyone learns eventually. We don't focus on moving stepwise with our kids. They seem to thrive on a mix of topics. Hence, I started long division before my eldest had learned his times tables, but would still get him to do problems like 123*46 now and then to help cement multiplication concepts. Last night the idea of "Why do things float" came up and I taught him about Density and introduced D=m/v and how smashing up cotton ball into a smaller volume can increase its density. We have a lot of random stuff like that. Some of it sticks, some of it doesn't. Val

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#13232  04/07/08 10:25 AM
Re: Question about algebra and radical acceleratio
[Re: Cathy A]

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Registered: 09/01/07
Posts: 3296
Loc: California

I skipped 7th grade and then did Algebra I and II in one year. Didn't hurt me or prevent me from getting my PhD in math...
To a mathy kid, it's not a problem to generalize arithmetic operations to larger numbers. They don't really need a whole year (or even a semester) to get it. Hi Cathy, It's good to hear someone else say that. When I introduced my son to long division with doubledigit numbers, I said "See, it's just like regular long division, only you have to figure out how many times 25 goes into 162. Get it?" He got it and did 4/4 problems correctly without help from me. I understand that he's a bright kid, but still, I have to wonder if maybe the people who produce these books are perhaps setting their expectations a bit too low. Val

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#13248  04/07/08 11:54 AM
Re: Question about algebra and radical acceleratio
[Re: Val]

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Registered: 09/19/07
Posts: 6145
Loc: Midwest

I'm with you, Val. Is it our GT denial, or are they just aiming low? Maybe a bit of both?
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