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    #12465 - 03/25/08 02:59 AM IQ test/Assesment: What was most helpful?
    Grinity Offline
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    Registered: 12/13/05
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    Loc: Connecticut
    I've been curious - what is the most helpful about whatever kinds of formal assesments your child has done?

    For us the most important thing was being able to join YSP and being able to fill out the Iowa Acceleration Scale. I always hoped that if we had gone to a tester who was familiar with beyond the usually gifted children that we would have gotten a lot more specific parenting advice and school placement advice, but, alas, we went to a local tester, who, while kind and well meaning, sent us off in directions that wasted a few years of DS's educational life.

    The good news is that I was able to learn (eventually) from other parents in the YSP what a tester might have been able to teach me. So I'm always going on about being sure to get an experienced tester, unless the school is going to do it for free, that is. wink

    What I don't take into account is that even if the tester is perfect, it takes time for us parents to wrap our minds around the implications of LOG. (Level of Giftedness) So I'm asking you who have gotten some kind of testing for your child:
    What tests:
    What age(s):
    What questions you had in your mind:
    What you learned:

    Thanks so much,
    Love and More Love,
    Grinity
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    #12473 - 03/25/08 06:12 AM Re: IQ test/Assesment: What was most helpful? [Re: Dottie]
    LMom Offline
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    Registered: 12/14/07
    Posts: 902
    Testing DS5 was one of the best thing we have done regarding him being gifted. I had lots of second thoughts and doubts before the test, but I am so glad we did it. 5 may not be the best time to test due to ceilings and such, but I think we still got what we needed. DS3 will be tested when the time comes.

    I think the most valuable thing was that it finally sinked in, that we finally got it, that perhaps he is little more than just clearly gifted. We knew he was gifted, we just didn't realize how gifted he was.

    I was no longer a crazy parent, I was a crazy parent with paper which clearly shows that DS was way beyond his peers. His teachers knew he was gifted, but they were even farther behind us when it came to how much he could do. They did need to see the achievement tests. I also have test results which allow him to attend gt programs and camps.

    Getting to DYS has been beyond wonderful. Being able to meet real people who really get it is priceless. I cannot say enough good things about it. I feel like we started a new chapter in our gt journey.

    As for testing itself, it's extremely hard to get an appointment with people listed on the Hoagies, long waiting lists and/or tests we didn't care for. We did go to a "local" psychologist who had supposedly some experience with gifted kids. DS5 liked her and I think she did great job with the testing itself.

    We didn't really get any good advice besides "You would need to grade skip him. He could even be in the 2nd grade academically, but then he cannot really be in the 2nd grade socially." She told us that he should still go to school for social reasons. No, thank you. She didn't have any school information about the area where we lived except the typical "There must be something in ..."

    To sum it up. It was well worth the money!

    What tests: WPPSI-III, WJ-III
    What age: 5 years 3 months


    Edited by LMom (03/25/08 06:26 AM)
    Edit Reason: forgot to include the tests
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    #12474 - 03/25/08 07:04 AM Re: IQ test/Assesment: What was most helpful? [Re: LMom]
    bianc850a Offline
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    Registered: 12/02/07
    Posts: 312
    Loc: California
    What tests: WISC III (5.5 year old) for gifted school application. WISC IV and WJ-III (7.5 years old) for DYS and SCAT for JHU CTY summer programs.

    What questions you had in mind: My dd has always been tested as requirements of a program/school. I think I have always known she is gifted. She has what I call an "old soul".

    What you learned: That she is even more gifted than I thought and that I will never really "get" the way her brain works.

    My dd has been tested by the same psychologist in all instances. The psychologist came to our home for the first test and allowed me to be a silent observer. I had told my dd that this nice lady was coming to play and do puzzles with her (my dd loves puzzles). She was waiting for her at the door! The psychologist doing the testing is very familiar with gifted children. My dd was very comfortable around her. The testing experiences have always been positive and ideal (nice knowledgeble tester, good health, rested/fed child, cooperative child, etc).

    DD is currently in a great fit academically. She is moving ahead so fast academically (specially in math) that sometimes I need to look at the numbers and realize that is ok. She is really capable of doing what she is doing.


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    #12475 - 03/25/08 07:24 AM Re: IQ test/Assesment: What was most helpful? [Re: Grinity]
    Lori H. Offline
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    Registered: 05/26/07
    Posts: 982
    My son only took the WIAT the month he turned seven. Even though he has motor dyspraxia and sensory issues and took the without taking breaks, he did very well on the achievement test, scoring grade levels ahead of age mates even though he had only homeschooled for about two hours a day the year before he took the test. He did well enough on the achievement test that the tester told us that he did not get to the point where he missed enough questions to stop the test. The test was stopped because they ran out of time and our insurance would not pay for any more testing. The tester predicted the score he would make on an IQ test based on the achievement test, but he said to really find out how highly gifted he is, he needed to be tested over more than one day because of my son's fatigue issues. My son was even tested on spelling but he had to write the words, which I thought was strange considering that handwriting was one of his problems, but he managed to test slightly above grade level on that before his hands got too tired to continue. I believe that he was actually at a higher grade level in spelling than the test showed, especially now since he won a regional spelling bee at age 9. I most tests are set up for kids without motor disabilies, but he can compensate enough that he can do well on everything except things requiring visual motor integration. He is slow at 3D puzzles and I can't see that it has an adverse effect on achievement. I think he might score lower on an IQ test because of his lower than average visual motor integration, but I think what really counts is what he is able to achieve and he is able to achieve at a very high level if he is given the opportunity to learn the way he learns best.

    I know that achievement tests like the WIAT only cover a small number of questions at each grade level, but I found that my son was able to skip a lot of the math curriculum and work at the grade level it showed on the achievement test because he picked up concepts very quickly, but we had to work around handwriting issues.

    I think the test was more helpful than an IQ test would have been for me because we had homeschooled for a year and I wasn't sure what grade levels he was working at. We didn't use an actual curriculum and he did a lot of things online, playing educational games and of course, he read a lot but he chose to read things like his children's science encyclopedia and National Geographic Magazine. He just didn't have any interest in the books his public schooled friends, even his older gifted friends, were reading. He has always loved books with a rich vocabulary that make him think. I think because of what he chooses to read, he is able to use a higher level vocabulary in his speech and I think he probably comprehends at a higher level than than his public schooled gifted friends who are several years older, but if he were in our public school he would be held back from achieving at a high level partly because of his sensory and motor issues.

    If I had to choose between an IQ test or another achievement test, I would choose an achievement test because on
    www.livescience.com/health/070416_achievement_iq.html it says that scores on elementary school achievement tests have a lot to do with IQ and where kids end up later in life.

    I am curious about his IQ, but I wonder if it would be affected by his visual motor integration difficulties. I just think an achievement test gives me more useful information. I would have liked for him to take the Explore test but I could not make him miss one of the most fun Cub Scout activities to do it. Hopefully, next year things will work out so that he can take it.




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    #12478 - 03/25/08 07:26 AM Re: IQ test/Assesment: What was most helpful? [Re: bianc850a]
    crisc Offline
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    Registered: 12/12/07
    Posts: 485
    Loc: New England
    What tests: SB-V and WJ-III

    What age(s): 4 years 9 months and 5 years 1 month

    What questions you had in your mind: My initial question was whether or not I should move my son from his current preschool where he was having behavior issues and complaining of boredom to a more expensive, more academic Montessori school. I knew DS was probably very bright, if not gifted but I needed proof to make such a drastic move for my son, especially since I have two other children attending the same preschool.

    What you learned: That DS is much more gifted than I could have imagined. He wasn't reading at 2 or even 3 so I really thought that his scores would be in the above average to mod. gifted range. Since he had the SB-V, I must admit that I go out of my way to find new challenges and exposures for him. I also have started to advocate for a grade skip for this fall. I know that without test score this would not have even crossed my mind. The WJ-III testing was done solely for entrance to the DYS program. We are still anxiously awaiting the decision.

    We had all our testing done by a private psychologist that is retired and does testing out of her home. She used to live locally but since she retired she moved 1.5 hours and one state away. Prior to retirement she did testing on gifted children as an occupation. Our local gifted group has had many children tested by this woman.

    When I called to make an inquiry for testing, she went out of her way to get to know my family. She offered great advice and just listened as I talked about our struggles. Even after the testing has been completed, she calls and e-mails frequently just to follow up and check in on us. When she finds a new resource in my community that may be of assistance she is quick to make the contact. My son thoroughly enjoyed the testing process. I know that when DD3 and DS1 are ready for testing I will have no hesitations about the 1.5 hour drive to use her.
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    #12479 - 03/25/08 07:39 AM Re: IQ test/Assesment: What was most helpful? [Re: bianc850a]
    st pauli girl Offline
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    Registered: 01/29/08
    Posts: 1917

    What tests: SB-V, administered by a gifted specialist in our area who was referred to us by friends who have an HG+ kid. (We probably would have thought DS was just a smart kid if it weren't for this friend I met in early childhood classes. She kept saying "your son is so much like my son was at that age" and recommending that we have him tested.)

    What age(s): 4.1

    What questions you had in your mind: We wanted to know if DS should go to kindergarten early, and in our district, you have to prove IQ >130. We probably would have had to fight hard for early entry since DS is 4.5 months past the cutoff, and we wanted advice. We also thought, maybe he's just really smart, and we're crazy to put him through this at such an early age. I was very worried about the fact that I would be in a separate room while he was tested - DS had never been alone with a stranger.

    What you learned: DS was very HG+, and we were not crazy. We learned that with his level of giftedness and personality, early K wouldn't be a great fit, especially since we have a preschool teacher who "gets" him. (This was a surprise and a relief for me - i was young in school and still very bored, so I thought the recommendation would be early k to move things along. Relief because we have more time to figure out how to work with the schools, get over denial, etc.) We learned that we will have to reassess DS's education quite often, and we will have to be flexible. We were reassured that we could do this. We were given info on how to work with the schools (and tons of other resources.) Also, we didn't "put" DS through anything - he loved the testing. We will go back for achievement testing next year so we can apply to DYS when DS is 5.

    Interesting side effect: since the testing, DS4's confidence level has greatly increased. Re: games and "inventions" etc, we used to hear more "that's too hard" and now we hear "no! don't help me! I can do it myself!"

    I am also so happy that I found this website before we took DS for testing. I got so much great advice about how to prepare my "never been with a stranger" kid for this long test. (Long for him - about 1.5 hours.)

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    #12489 - 03/25/08 09:52 AM Re: IQ test/Assesment: What was most helpful? [Re: Grinity]
    Kriston Offline
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    Registered: 09/19/07
    Posts: 6145
    Loc: Midwest
    What tests: WJ-III (administered by public school in K because of teacher GT ID), then WISC

    What age(s):5.9, then 6.7 for the WISC

    What questions you had in your mind:
    For WJ-III: None, since I was sure he was GT but wasn't aware he was HG+. After I saw the test scores and saw how rough a time he was having in 1st grade, I wondered if the public school could handle him.
    For WISC: Is he really qualified for DYS, as his WJ-III indicates, or is he the MG kid that my GT denial says he is. What should we be doing for his education?

    What you learned: He's been admitted to DYS, and we're homeschooling, at least for this year and next. Beyond that, I'm trying to stick to day-by-day decisions... Also, the WISC showed me that his processing speed is significantly slower than his PRI score, so I learned that I need to be patient with him if he seems to be dawdling. That bit of info was second in importance only to getting into DYS to me, I think, especially now that we're HSing.

    I'll add a question, if that's okay, Grinity...

    *What you still want/need to know:*

    My answers: Is DS3.5 HG+, too? Is there a better educational option for DS6.5 than HSing?
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    #12490 - 03/25/08 09:55 AM Re: IQ test/Assesment: What was most helpful? [Re: Kriston]
    crisc Offline
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    Registered: 12/12/07
    Posts: 485
    Loc: New England
    *What you still want/need to know:*
    I still want to know what is best for DS5 in regards to schooling. I don't think any test is going to tell me that.
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    #12493 - 03/25/08 09:59 AM Re: IQ test/Assesment: What was most helpful? [Re: crisc]
    Kriston Offline
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    Registered: 09/19/07
    Posts: 6145
    Loc: Midwest
    Don't we all wish!
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    #12510 - 03/25/08 12:45 PM Re: IQ test/Assesment: What was most helpful? [Re: crisc]
    Ann Offline
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    Registered: 02/15/08
    Posts: 179
    Loc: painting the dining room
    Good thread Grinity! DS2 is too young to test, but you guys are giving me a lot to think about.

    It reminds me that I'd like someone to put our conversations into book form. Learning what has/hasn't worked for other parents is invaluable. I've moved on from the "What to Expect When You're Expecting" book. I find myself combing through old posts when I need something specific for DS.

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