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    Contrast these results with those from this other study (originally posted by Bostonian)

    http://papers.nber.org/papers/w17264

    "Talented students compete fiercely for seats at Boston and New York exam schools. These schools are characterized by high levels of peer achievement and a demanding curriculum tailored to each district's highest achievers. While exam school students do very well in school, the question of whether an exam school education adds value relative to a regular public education remains open. We estimate the causal effect of exam school attendance using a regression-discontinuity design, reporting both parametric and non- parametric estimates. The outcomes studied here include scores on state standardized achievement tests, PSAT and SAT participation and scores, and AP scores. Our estimates show little effect of exam school offers on most students' achievement. We use two-stage least squares to convert reduced form estimates of the effects of exam school offers into estimates of peer and tracking effects, arguing that these appear to be unimportant in this context. Finally, we explore the external validity of RD estimates, arguing that as best we can tell, there is little effect of an exam school education on achievement even for the highest-ability marginal applicants and for applicants to the right of admissions cutoffs. On the other hand, a Boston exam school education seems to have a modest effect on high school English scores for minority applicants. A small group of 9th grade applicants also appears to do better on SAT Reasoning. These localized gains notwithstanding, the intense competition for exam school seats does not appear to be justified by improved learning for a broad set of students."

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    Originally Posted by DAD22
    Contrast these results with those from this other study (originally posted by Bostonian)

    I thought this was flawed.

    They used Bronx School of Math and Science as a comparison to Stuyvesant. The assumption is that Stuy is more effective than Bronx and that as a result there should be a discontinuity in outcomes. Another is that students who get into Bronx are somehow less capable.

    In fact, both are phenomenal EXAM schools and both student bodies are very capable.

    A better test would be to compare kids of the same initial abilities who feed into both exam and non-exam schools. Find kids who grew up in a poor school district, half of which are transferred into NYC and go to an Exam school vs those who stay in the poorer district.




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