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    #103074 - 05/22/11 06:37 PM Re: Rapid Acceleration [Re: passthepotatoes]
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    Her use of the SB-LM is by far my least favorite part of Miraca Gross' research.

    But, I don't understand why you (Ren) think that this kid at Hunter is the only one at that level in NYC (in ? time period). I wouldn't base my judgement on frequency on news articles or recognition by a school, any school. There's also the assumption that all kids of that level are in a position to apply for that school at that grade. Or maybe I misunderstand you?

    I also think some of the approaches used by this family & school could be useful more often than actually happens.


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    #103088 - 05/23/11 12:12 AM Re: Rapid Acceleration [Re: passthepotatoes]
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    Originally Posted By: passthepotatoes
    It sort of seems like you are assuming that if kids are super PG then everyone notices and it all works out.

    Yes. In my personal opinion based on the gestalt of what I've read (though of course there isn't longitudinal research on this specific question, there couldn't be), a person probably only gets to be super-PG if their educational environment is suitable for them, in addition to their being who they are at birth. So I think Wren's is to some extent a self-fulfilling prophecy: if you went looking for, say, 16yos who were super-PG but hadn't been noticed, it's highly unlikely they'd have got a sufficiently suitable environment to enable them to still be identifiable as super-PG at that age, even if earlier they'd had the potential to be so.
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    #103089 - 05/23/11 01:46 AM Re: Rapid Acceleration [Re: Wren]
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    According to what I read, there are tests for those kinds of ceilings. Just like Giga Society disdains the SB thinking too many kids are identified as PG and won't accept the results.

    If Harvard and MIT have programs for really young kids, which I assume means more than 1. You have kids like the one at Hunter and Columbia and this other kid at Fairfield and Yale, you can cover 5+ kids per year. Since they seem to hit the news, whether it is Kit Armstrong, or this girl who graduated from Stoneybrook at 14, about ten years ago, or the posting about the MD/PhD student at U of Chicago, who is all of 12 years old. The parents didn't push for this. No MD program is going to let you in because the parents push.

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    #103090 - 05/23/11 02:46 AM Re: Rapid Acceleration [Re: Wren]
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    Sorry, Ren, I read that post three times and I still don't see what you're saying. It seems as though you're still asserting that there are children so PG that, regardless of whether their parents take a role in it, the system will ensure that they get an appropriate education - is that so? But I don't think we've yet been pointed at even one child whose parents did not take an active role in the arranging the child's education, so we don't know what would have happened if they hadn't. Even if we had such a case it wouldn't prove that every child with that capability would be well served by the system if the parents didn't act, because any negative cases, where the parents did not act and the child was not well served, are invisible.
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    #103091 - 05/23/11 02:57 AM Re: Rapid Acceleration [Re: Wren]
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    PS You do realise that the Giga Society is a spoof, right?
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    #103095 - 05/23/11 04:40 AM Re: Rapid Acceleration [Re: ColinsMum]
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    I can't make up my mind whether they're a spoof or just verrrry selective.
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    #103098 - 05/23/11 05:00 AM Re: Rapid Acceleration [Re: Iucounu]
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    If in doubt, read the first piece of work by Giga Society members - someone who can't should give it to someone who can, and see how many lines in they get before they start laughing. Alternatively, or as well, read this. Quite good though.

    (If everyone else is having a laugh [too] feel free - I've never been good at counting levels of bluff!)


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    #103128 - 05/23/11 07:32 AM Re: Rapid Acceleration [Re: Wren]
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    I have to admit that their website has declined seriously, though they were on the list of actual high IQ societies and were not on the defunct list -- of which there were many. And their members are in other IQ societies, like Dany Provost is in the Omega, which is only 1 in a million level.

    When I first saw the Giga a couple of years ago, they listed the 7 members and you could look them up and they were all googleable and known to have IQs in the 200+ range. I checked and someone commented about Andreas Gunnarsson, his comment on his website was "best viewed with a browser" -which I think is hilarious. Scott Durgin is a high tech guy.

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    #103130 - 05/23/11 07:36 AM Re: Rapid Acceleration [Re: Wren]
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    In looking some of this stuff up, has anyone read "The Outsiders"?

    A book about the personalities of really high IQ people. It came out from the Promethius society 15 years ago or something. Just curious.

    Also read about William Sidis. Which is really sad. But goes with the story that some psychiatrists are not crazy, but the children of psychiatrists always are. Was told that by the child of a pyschiatrist.

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    #103134 - 05/23/11 07:39 AM Re: Rapid Acceleration [Re: Wren]
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    Since they seem to hit the news, whether it is Kit Armstrong, or this girl who graduated from Stoneybrook at 14, about ten years ago, or the posting about the MD/PhD student at U of Chicago, who is all of 12 years old. The parents didn't push for this. No MD program is going to let you in because the parents push.

    Ren


    I think your flawed assumption here is that if a kid is "super PG" they'd be in the news and you'd know them. I'd say that you are wrong that all kids end up in the media some individuals and families prefer to be out of the spotlight. I would also say you may be overestimating your ability to monitor every article that appears.

    As far as the student who entered the MD PHD program at Chicago I believe this is the person you are referring to. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sho_Yano I don't think it is at all accurate to say the plan for college entrance came from his school as he was homeschooled by his mother.

    From that Wikipedia article: "According to him, he owes much of his success to his mother, who noticed his superior intellectual capabilities at an early age and helped encourage and motivate him through rigorous academic enrichment. His mother also homeschooled him through the 12th grade, saying she felt other students his age wouldn't be as interested in their studies."

    It sounds Wren like there is a theme in your posts that real PG kids are recognized and accommodated by their schools. If they aren't well then the parents must have been pushy?

    Here's a video about the Chicago family (both children are prodigies) http://www.nbcchicago.com/news/local/genius-siblings-92735089.html


    Edited by passthepotatoes (05/23/11 07:45 AM)

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