Good morning,

OK Kriston, as an upper white family, I think I can call it as I see it. My DH was even more critical of Ruf's book. He thought it was a total ego stroker. She never said what she used to define her levels except some subjettive standard she had of measuring motivation. She did not even say how she observed these differences in motivation, how long, over what period of time. It was purely her judgement.

And her projections of penetration of these giftedness. Half the class in an upper class neighborhood of highly educated people.

If someone is new, as I was, and reads references to Ruf like it is the forum's bible, I think it fair to say what others think.

Clearly Mamabird has an amazing child. And there is a lot of great advice here. I think it is important to provide reviews of recommendations. Because when I read Ruf's book I posted a question, saying why is this so great because I had not seen a contrary opinion.

Ruf's book is interesting, but not scientific.

Ren