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    Re: Grade Acceleration K-1-2 Eagle Mum 03/27/26 11:33 PM
    Originally Posted by FrameistElite
    While I concur that grade acceleration depends on the child, I do not necessarily believe that the threshold should be as high as sometimes stated. Even if they may not be globally advanced, I do not necessarily believe it would be the right call to keep the child with age peers, especially if the kid calls for it and is willing to sacrifice to make such acceleration happen.

    There is a reasonable range of behavior and maturity, and if a school is not willing to accept a reasonable range, perhaps that isn't the right school for you. Not saying there is any wrongdoing, but personally, I do believe in giving people an opportunity and also giving grade acceleration to those students who may not be globally advanced. That is because they can accommodate them.

    To clarify, I wasn’t suggesting that a child has to be globally advanced to be eligible for acceleration. I merely described that in our experience, it certainly helped make acceleration successful in mainstream schools which do not have any particular policies or provisions for gifted students.

    Principals, who are responsible for the welfare of the whole student body, are most likely to support any proposal which minimises disruption. For my son, who remained with his age peers, he was allowed to engage in parallel activities which allowed informal acceleration. I’ve given examples before - completing multiplication homework in Roman numerals, other number bases and choosing his own set of spelling words for each week’s activities of finding definitions and writing. By upper primary, he was given a lot of free time on class computers without being singled out - the teachers announced that anyone who finished assigned tasks to standard could spend self-study time on the computers - DS would very quickly finish the set tasks, thus meeting all of the school’s obligations for student assessment, and be allowed to spend a lot of time in self directed study.

    The different acceleration strategies for my kids were all seamlessly effective.

    Acceleration during the formative school years also sets the stage for the future years. Accelerating the student to the level at which the tasks become challenging for that individual but still mainstream for the cohort may meet their most basic needs at that stage of development, but doesn’t provide as many opportunities for the gifted individual to explore outside the box, whereas keeping DS with his age cohort made it obvious that he was so far ahead of his age cohort and even his teachers, that they were willing to support strategies that let him forge his own paths. At one of our top ranked universities now, he has usually mastered each course within the first few weeks of each semester and is at or near the top of every course, most recently being the only student to correctly solve a fluid mechanics question in a test, because he not only used the conventionally taught approach, but applied what he called a ‘sanity check’ and then critically analysed the solution to find a common trap of thinking. That is exactly our hoped outcome of education.
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    Advocacy of 2e to prevent possible discrimination FrameistElite 03/27/26 04:48 AM
    I'm not a parent yet, but perhaps I'll have kids in the next few years. For now, I tutor students, and many of them have asynchronous development and yet wish to skip grades.

    There have been a few main issues that seem to recur:

    1) Rigid authorities
    I knew many of them would say the students have to be mature socially, emotionally, and physically (compared to their age) as well as academically to skip 1-2 grades, but I know this isn't quite true. Yet some of my students think to not skip because the gap felt insurmountable even when perhaps it might not be. Also I knew many students with disciplinary issues who still wanted to skip - is there a way to advocate for them?

    Any tips or help for this? Theoretically they can improve their aerobic capacity and listen to learning materials by Zone 2 and 3 runs and their top end speed by Zone 4 and Zone 5 runs? As for social and emotional maturity perhaps we could find some tolerant people to help improve their social-emotional maturity?

    2) A lack of study skills
    As similar to Faylie's post - How to get child to actually "study" - I have seen this in many students who think the gap is insurmountable but actually it can be closed with study skills and discipline. Yet I knew students who can't even finish 5 minutes of proper study in one go - any tips for improving this? If they cannot even finish 5 minutes of proper study then how would one manage 2-4 hour exams later on in education?

    3) Social backlash (potential discrimination and harassment).
    Especially if the students appear to struggle at first even if the struggle was merely temporary that could be fixed by improved studying, or assessing them for 2e (taking into account their developmental level, not chronological age)? Some people said that if they were struggling in their age grade and things they need to learn without the pressures of university-level academics (for middle and high school students) but the alternative is that the pressure of university-level academics is a wake up call for them to improve before they may be on a course of destruction. Does anyone know how to distinguish between these? In some cases the social backlash could meet the threshold of discrimination and harassment so perhaps labelling and official psychiatric letters declaring minors fit for college could be necessary?
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    Re: Grade Acceleration K-1-2 FrameistElite 03/26/26 06:08 AM
    While I concur that grade acceleration depends on the child, I do not necessarily believe that the threshold should be as high as sometimes stated. Even if they may not be globally advanced, I do not necessarily believe it would be the right call to keep the child with age peers, especially if the kid calls for it and is willing to sacrifice to make such acceleration happen.

    There is a reasonable range of behavior and maturity, and if a school is not willing to accept a reasonable range, perhaps that isn't the right school for you. Not saying there is any wrongdoing, but personally, I do believe in giving people an opportunity and also giving grade acceleration to those students who may not be globally advanced. That is because they can accommodate them.
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    Re: Grade Acceleration K-1-2 Eagle Mum 03/25/26 11:29 AM
    The appropriateness, or otherwise, of grade acceleration really depends on the individual child. My daughters were both early entrants and thrived, mainly because, as their school principals in both primary & secondary schools commented, no one would ever have guessed that they were younger than their classmates as they were globally advanced, so much so that when they competed at sports in their correct age group, their eligibility would often be questioned by other parents.

    My son’s development was initially more asynchronous and it was absolutely the right call to keep him with age peers and advocate for radical subject acceleration.
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    Re: Grade Acceleration K-1-2 FrameistElite 03/25/26 05:08 AM
    I don't really resonate with the concerns around grade acceleration because I believe that the "social-emotional impacts" that people are often worried about may be overblown (at least 1 grade) and a larger problem that I am concerned about is potential harassment or bullying rather than any social emotional immaturity. Sometimes a grade skip does force accountability which I very much enjoyed and I am more concerned with some red tape rather than these vague concerns.

    If there are social emotional concerns perhaps they could be resolved... maybe some acting training for advertising, or even... advocacy for labels, if only to give a certificate that the person does not have a disability so people can stop mistakenly thinking the child is disabled (in some cases)
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    Re: Help! Gifted Son w school trauma FrameistElite 03/25/26 05:04 AM
    Feel free to ask though you may need to advocate and get the adjustments necessary
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    Re: Help! Gifted Son w school trauma monawoqa46 03/23/26 06:12 PM
    You’re not alone, many parents have been where you are. It’s incredibly hard
    but things can get better with the right support and adjustments. Trust your instincts and keep advocating- you’re doing the right thing
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    Re: "Gifted" or just "Talented"? FrameistElite 03/21/26 04:04 PM
    Which grade do you intend to put her in? Maybe start her in 10th or 9th would do this year as last year she was above average for 8th grade test, but bear in mind that "above average" does not necessarily mean as great as what some may think. 75th percentile in the class is the upper quartile but not necessarily the top. I was 98th-99th in grade level before they let me skip and for me 1 skip was enough to get into a very top university afterwards.

    I agree with that and that is a reason why I would prefer labelling - if only to have a report stating that her skills are way above average and therefore to accommodate her. At least that's the official paper to support you in case there are any conflict or worse - legal matters (imagine discrimination against 2e).

    My opinion is to report her as grade 10... but it depends on that 8th grade test to be fair. I would prefer AP rather than CLEP for international transfer and standardised benchmarks. I'm OK with her in in person campus at 15-16 full time starting off with AP credit. My concern is more to do with any potential age discrimination and harassment rather than any capability issue - if you do so perhaps have a lawyer on call in case there is serious age discrimination from the university.

    I think the best would be to have a good amount of hobbies, CLEP/AP and then go to university in-person at 15/16 that is what I would do. Even if she goes a little bit wild I am more concerned about others' reactions to her (which we could fix with mediation or legal action) rather than her own capabilities.
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    Re: How to get child to actually "study" FrameistElite 03/21/26 03:45 PM
    I would continue what you are doing for now; it's not simply regarding the concepts but also the study skills as well as applying the things to paper. I would say that sometimes brute force dictation could help for languages and perhaps ask her to blurt out the things she remembers as well as summarise notes and give herself quiz questions? That might work? Any past papers? That could also be fine.

    I think that she should apply herself to regurgitation in the form of questions and there is a reason why we memorise formulas in mathematics and sciences - it is probably far easier to solve the models if you already have the formulas in your memory rather than having to derive them out.

    Even if developmentally her executive function may be on par with age peers, if her IQ is genuinely extraordinarily high that could still indicate an EF disability. But this is complex - I know psychiatrists who even extend this further into maturity and personality.

    I think that the daughter should try to apply herself in small periods of time, perhaps that may work better? Also she should learn how to finish the things she promises to start within the time she promises to do so - it is a very important skill.

    If she finishes 99% of the way to her university/high school applications and then forgets a few documents to finally enrol, by the end then she effectively is forced to take a gap year. Don't forget about that. That became me. I still regret it to this day though fortunately because some people were stupid and chose to harass me I have legal recourse.
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